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How many sick days are you allowed to take?

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Abigail47 · 09/08/2024 18:55

In my last job, they didn't really care that much about sick leave. They would let people take up to about two weeks uncertified sick leave, and if you were certified for sick leave, you could take months of sick leave. They also didn't do return to work meetings for sick periods of less that five days.

I only took about four days sick leave in a year in that last job.

I started a new job seven months ago and I'm in shock.

I've taken four days sick leave in the whole seven month period. Two different periods of two days. I was sick. They were uncertified (as I had moved to a new area and hadn't registered with a local doctor in time) and I didn't get paid.

After each period I was called into an office with a manager and made to do a return to work meeting.
I was told in each meeting that too much sick leave can leave to contract termination.

My colleague just took five days certified sick leave, and on her return they said the same to her, that too much sick leave can lead to contract termination.

Aibu to think that four days sick leave in a whole year is not a lot.

Like we are going to get sick . Everyone does.
In one of my sick periods I totally lost my voice with a chest infection. I couldn't speak at all and I have a customer facing role.

What is sick leave like in your organisation?

OP posts:
Abigail47 · 09/08/2024 20:13

teraculum29 · 09/08/2024 20:12

OP, i would be sacked in your work places.
Last winter my immune system was crap, since October till March I had back to back chest infections, colds etc, and in every new off set of infection I had to take couple days off. So that was around 12days off sick in 6months.

But my employer is very understanding as long you are all absences are genuine.

That's the kind of employer that I want.

I think I'll try to be more careful about checking out employers a bit more thoroughly before I do interviews again.

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StBernie · 09/08/2024 20:13

I’m quite surprised at the responses because I assumed my company was normal but perhaps not. It’s fairly relaxed at my workplace. If you take a day or 2 off sick at a time there is no formal process or meeting, the manager simply says “ok hope you feel better soon”. It doesn’t get recorded anywhere. Generally employees are trusted and it’s fairly rare that anyone abuses the system.

You would never be expected to use AL for medical appointments, you would simply let your manager know about it and continue working when you’re back.

bluewatermelon · 09/08/2024 20:12

BeaRF75 · 09/08/2024 20:10

OP, 4 days sick in 7 months is a huge amount. I have been lucky, but my last sick day was in 2011.

4 days in 7 months is nothing.

teraculum29 · 09/08/2024 20:12

OP, i would be sacked in your work places.
Last winter my immune system was crap, since October till March I had back to back chest infections, colds etc, and in every new off set of infection I had to take couple days off. So that was around 12days off sick in 6months.

But my employer is very understanding as long you are all absences are genuine.

AllTheChaos · 09/08/2024 20:12

No return to work interviews after sick leave unless was long term (eg a colleague who was off for a year undergoing cancer treatment), which really was about what they needed to be able to return. Full pay for first 6 months of sickness in a year. If long term illness beyond that, 50% of pay (via insurance) until recovery or State retirement age, whichever comes first. Private sector, finance.

Abigail47 · 09/08/2024 20:12

JLM1981 · 09/08/2024 20:03

If you aren't off again within the year then I don't think 2 short periods of absence is a lot, no.

If I had been off twice in 7 months I would be conscious of it though and be worried about taking anymore time anytime soon. Some comments on here are harsh.

Thank you for that.

Yeah I definitely won't be planning on taking any more sick leave his year.

But then you never know what will happen regarding your health. Some things you just can't plan for.

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Otterock · 09/08/2024 20:10

Very strict at my workplace. 3 instances in 12 months leads to a first meeting. If you have 1 more sick day in the next 12 months it goes to a first warning and so on from there. Then again I’ve known people take the piss and definitely have more than that in a year and never known anyone actually get sacked. I’ve only reached the first meeting stage once and one of those absences was when it was mandatory to stay at home when you had covid symptoms (yet they still counted it).

Im conscious I’ve had 2 periods of illness in the last 12 months (one was being signed off due to surgery) and if I have one more day before the 12 month mark I’ll get pulled into a first meeting again. It doesn’t seem to work as it just encourages presenteeism in the ones who care (none wfh so rest of the team can get ill) and the ones who don’t never seem to get any repercussions anyway

BeaRF75 · 09/08/2024 20:10

OP, 4 days sick in 7 months is a huge amount. I have been lucky, but my last sick day was in 2011.

Edenmum2 · 09/08/2024 20:10

OP people are being ridiculous, of course 2 bouts of sickness in 7 months isn't an insane amount. With all the winter bugs that were around I was barely well for about 3 months...no employer I have ever had has done return to work meetings and sick days have never really been commented on (unless long term)

My DH if you want another example - he gets 2 weeks in a year and after that he will be asked to take annual leave, but there is never any disciplinary aspect and certainly never a dismissal threat - that's bonkers! I would have a good read of your contract because I'm sure legally they are on dodgy ground if they keep threatening you. People get sick!

shrumps · 09/08/2024 20:10

Sick leave isn’t an entitlement as such - it’s there for if you are too ill to work.

Abigail47 · 09/08/2024 20:09

Rosecoffeecup · 09/08/2024 20:04

You sound rather immature and as though you think it's some sort of allowance to be used, akin to annual leave allowance

I certainly didn't think it was an allowance.i just really don't like the threatening talk in my workplace of "too much sickness can lead to contract termination". And it's hard to know how serious they are about it. And they're vague about it too. They don't even say how many days they see as too many days of sickness. Its not in our contract. There is nothing about sick leave. I wouldn't mind the return to work meetings but there is no need for them to be so nasty.

My colleague took a couple of days off sick last month. She had a return to work meeting when she came back, and after it, she went to the bathroom crying. I went in to chat to her and she said "am I going to get fired? But I was vomiting all day?'

Every employer I've worked for before were totally fine about taking one to two days off. I got used to that. I now see that some employers are not like that.

A couple of days in a year was seen as no problem.

I've been applying for other jobs , and I have an interview next week for a new job, as this current workplace definitely doesn't suit me.

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PuggyPuggyPuggy · 09/08/2024 20:09

I haven't had so much as a sniffle since going self-emplyed in 2018, so no, we are not necessarily all ill for a couple of days per year. But I did have to rearrange two days worth of appointments when I dislocated my shoulder last year, and I was "lucky" that my eye injury this year covered three non-work days and two quiet days 😅

Yeah I know, I've contributed nothing to the discussion 😂

BeaRF75 · 09/08/2024 20:09

If you are not actually sick, then the correct answer is zero. You don't get an "allowance" for sick leave, like annual leave. Otherwise, look at your company policy - multiple one-off days would be very suspicious, tbh.

AtmosAtmos · 09/08/2024 20:08

Back to work interviews at the moment are important as we are also asked whether the sickness is work related. In my case recently it has been and I think it’s the same with a couple of team members. At least they know what is happening. (Not in an emergency service or job traditionally associated with extra high stress).

Travelkettle · 09/08/2024 20:08

Needless to say, looking to get back into the public sector - DH is public sector and he has colleagues off for months and months on full pay too. Unfortunately the last few illnesses have been me not him (now I've typed that it sounds bad.... but you all know what I mean - from a financial point of view!).

Travelkettle · 09/08/2024 20:06

It's shit OP, I agree.

I used to work in the public sector, people were literally off for months and months on full pay, there was seemingly no limit. I was hardly ever sick as in my 20s, but the times I was off sick were all on full pay. I also had time off for a miscarriage where it was more emotional sick leave - on full pay.

Moved abroad, had kids, moved back. Now I work in a private sector organisation. Not as bad as some, 5 days on full pay, then it's SSP. SSP is a fraction of what I earn.

I ended up in hospital a few months ago for a week and a half, if it hadn't been for DH I don't know what we'd have done. What do people do if they have a heart attack or serious operation and their company only pays SSP? Do they have to give up their house? It's insane.

Underlig · 09/08/2024 20:06

If it’s four absences for the whole year, I think that’s OK. But you’re only just over halfway through and you are, despite you saying you’re not, a new starter. So I think you need to be careful.

Rosecoffeecup · 09/08/2024 20:04

You sound rather immature and as though you think it's some sort of allowance to be used, akin to annual leave allowance

JLM1981 · 09/08/2024 20:03

If you aren't off again within the year then I don't think 2 short periods of absence is a lot, no.

If I had been off twice in 7 months I would be conscious of it though and be worried about taking anymore time anytime soon. Some comments on here are harsh.

wastingtimeonhere · 09/08/2024 20:03

I can't find any specific policy for the company I work for. I have had 6 days in 2 and half years. It was full pay, but I've been told it's discretionary, and they could pay SSP only.

BringItOnxxx · 09/08/2024 20:02

If you have a disability I'm sure they cannot discipline you for sick leave and must allow you to attend appointments. Under reasonable adjustments?

bluewatermelon · 09/08/2024 20:02

Abigail47 · 09/08/2024 19:59

How nasty.

I'm sorry that I had one bad cold and one vomiting bug ( which is totally beyond my control) in seven months.

You're glad I don't work for you because I got sick a couple of times?

People can't control getting sick you know.

Again. Workplaces are not concentration camps. Human life happens

I’m so glad I’m not in the UK when I read things like that.

NotMeNoNo · 09/08/2024 20:00

You need a system to pick up actual shirkers who are randomly "just a bit under the weather" when it suits them and don't call in until midday. As opposed to people who do have genuine illness they can describe to you. But I think you need to judge it in light of overall performance.

bluewatermelon · 09/08/2024 20:00

WhatNoRaisins · 09/08/2024 19:57

I'll be honest, the years where I've not been off sick make me feel a bit miffed for not having the extra days off work.

I’d much rather work than be sick.

YesIReallyDoLikeRootBeer · 09/08/2024 19:59

I work in a school in America. We get 10 paid sick days per school year (instead of calendar years). A school year is 180 days.

And any unused sick days carry over to the next school year, so I currently have about 40 paid sick days that I can use