NHS band 8b

You could get up at 4am, that's what my DH did when he had to be in London on a Monday. Yes it's a pain in the arse but better than losing a whole day off ?
How often are you expected to do this ? once a week ? once a month ? once in a blue moon ?

I'm the same band in the NHS, I don't claim toil/ overtime etc. it's part of the role I feel.

However, that said I wouldn't work on the way if it was a Sunday and I can only assume you work remotely faraway from your base to have to travel that far to attend a team meeting.

@tuttuttutt more money but no one to guide how it is spent or run the service. You want the best in the public services you have to pay for it. OP why not just travel on the Monday and ask for the meeting to be in the afternoon.

It depends why your travelling so far. If you've taken a job or moved since that is that far away then that's on you. If they've moved the office or site then that's on them I'd think

If the nhs wasn't frittering money on all these "highly skilled" manger jobs there would be more money for other staff.

It depends. When you accepted the role, did you know that there would be an expectation to travel for team meetings? The offer stage would have been the time to discuss the travel and toil ( if you knew about it). How often do you have to make the journey? A few times a year is different than every week for example. The nhs is country wide so can you not move to a job that doesn’t have 7 hours travel for a meeting?

Golly, a lot of resentment for someone who is likely highly skilled to be working at 8b!

More information needed though. It’s one thing if your work base moved and they are expecting you to travel long distance for a meeting, another if you moved or took a job long distance from the base!

I do agree to a level that in management the hours are more flexible and we work more hours than we are paid for but there should be a limit!

And to the poster that talked about management leaving at 5pm…..I wish! I come in early, stay late, get contacted at weekends, it has broken me! And I’m not as senior as the original poster! I’m going back to clinical work. Anyone that thinks NHS management is easy should give it a go!

Most people have to travel to/from work in their own time.

If you are remote working, surely you would've realised that you would need to go to a base/office/Trust as part of that job.

If you took this job knowing that the base is 7 hrs travel time away, that is your own doing.

Just take the time back yourself without a fuss. An hour or so at a time.

Some teams are national. There’s a locality base and a central base, which is often London.

Yes, admitted my error earlier, did exactly that!
Ringing optician at 9am!

With London weighting, possibly. But the range is approx £58-£67 for the rest of the country. I think you read the 8c band.

I wonder how many with an issue with the OP’s 8B salary (majority women) agree with the Dr's pay rise (mainly men)??

I am a band 8A there service needed me to work overtime that I financially did not need to work but did for the service and my own MH to reduce the pressure they would not pay me at my band 8A rate.

Yet weekend waiting list initiative clinics Dr's on just undrer twicw my salary paid handsomely to reduced waits that don’t exist in their private practises. Not conflict of interest there either hey!!

It is why people want to leave and there is a two-tier system within a public service riddled with the patriarchy !!

I don’t know the rules but you should definitely get TOIL in principle. My companies policy is it counts as working hours if it’s longer than travel I normally do to the office. So if I do a two hour journey the first hour isn’t counted which I think is fair. If I had moved really far from the office and it took me 5 hours to get there then that would be my own fault for moving and I wouldn’t get that time back to come in. Also they wouldn’t let us travel on a Sunday and I wouldn’t agree to do that anyway unless it was super exceptional and something that would really benefit me like a cpd thing I had asked to do.

The idea that if you’re office based /higher paid you should just suck it up is shit. It’s not a race to the bottom.

If you are 8B you could still claim this at basic rate rather than as OT rate. Agenda for change stipulates that overtime shouldn't be paid to band 8 and above but it will still allow for a payment of basic hourly rate for additional hours worked rather than at time and a half rate.

I'm not sure where this view has come from but I can guarantee from personal experience of my own Trust that is absolutely not the case. I regularly work 15-20 hours per week above my contracted hours as a senior manager. Also the managers you see leaving at 5pm will most likely be logging on from home each evening for an hour or two to catch up on work they didn't ha e time to do during the working day.

Why was your team meeting 7 hours from where you live? I presume it was at the team base, and you wfh most of the time and live a distance from the trust you work for? If this is the case, then no you would not get TOIL. However, if the meeting was an away day at a location 7 hours from the trust base, then yes you could claim it.

I think some of this is expected (wrongly) within the nhs. If I go on a course, the trust pays the fees but I have to pay for my travel and my hotel, and do that travel in my own time. My husband works for a private company and all his hotels and travel are paid for, and his food whilst away, and he gets TOIL if had to travel in his own time.

I’m 8b and get toil but Im in a partly clinical role.

I wouldn’t get toil for travel to my normal place of work and wouldn’t claim for example for travel to conference etc if I was travelling out of working hours.

it was your choice to work all the Sunday. I can’t call my boss and say I’ve worked all Sunday cos it suited me, can I have Friday off please.

I could in an emergency negotiate in advance I would need to complete a project on my day off to meet a deadline and bank that time. But need discussed in advance.

Well seeing as NHS Trusts are normally based in a particular location, it can't be a normal expectation of the job to have to travel for 7 hours to a meeting, because your normal work is fairly local.

Therefore, yes you absolutely should get the time back for spending a working day travelling to somewhere this far from your normal place of work. Unless you are choosing to live a long way from your trust and are a home worker, in this case, for a one off, I'd suck it up.

Plus NHS 8b isn't always management grades, it's also often specialist professional roles, so the meeting could be a CPD day or similar.

@Cheeesus yes, you are right. I saw the entire range of band 8!
Apologies everyone.
But it is still a senior management position, so no toil

£62k-£72k surely?

Literally just looked it up on NHS website to double check
So yes, it is a large salary

What is your job role? Do you normally work remotely or are you part of a team working across the country? Is this a one off or will it be regular?

If you had to travel lots because you usually work remotely and don't travel, I'd suck it up as it evens out and you could live nearer. If you are in a team spread across the country and will do this semi regularly, I might fight it more.

I presume TOIL is allowed. If you worked Wed to Fri and attended the meeting on Mon/Tue you would get TOIL presumably. The issue is it was for travel. FWIW in my NHS team, OT is not allowed at any band. TOIL is allowed for specific reasons e.g. running training on a Saturday or evening. Travel isn't really an issue as we wouldn't need to go that far.

Yes OT/TOIL is usually for clinical staff who sometimes have unexpected clinical work outside of their normal hours. We cant just leave at 5 all the time like managers do.

My boss is an 8b and claims overtime all the time.