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To think this is not acceptable behaviour from a dad to his 8 year old son...?

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planAplanB · 08/08/2024 21:11

  • Shouting at child in anger
  • Tapping child's bottom with his hand
  • Grabbing child's wrists to get him off the sofa and move him towards the door
  • Calling child stupid
  • Claiming his mothers parenting 'lets him get away with bad behaviour'
  • Chasing child in anger around island in the kitchen shouting for him to go to his room.

I know that the above behaviour is not acceptable from an adult to their child but can anyone else tell me if their husband also does this?

It was horrible to witness. I intervened to remove husbands hands from child's wrists. Older child also witnessed this.

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Wishimaywishimight · 09/08/2024 09:46

StSwithinsDay · 08/08/2024 21:24

And 'tapping child's bottom with his hand'. You mean he slapped him hard don't you?

I hate the word 'tapping', it doesn't change the fact an adult has hit a child regardless of what word you use. I think people use this word to make them feel better about witnessing (or carrying out) abuse.

Hoppinggreen · 09/08/2024 09:40

Its not acceptable
DH grew up with an alcoholic father who shouted a lot and was occasionally physically violent as well and he has never touched either of the DC in anger. In fact he still upsets himself remembering the time he put DD in her bouncy chair a bit roughly when he was at the end of his sleep deprived tether with her.
Its good that you are going to your Mums but unfortunately he is likely to get unsupervised time with the DC in the future

MrsSkylerWhite · 09/08/2024 09:38

Yes there are other dads who do these things. They’re nasty bastards too.
Why are you trying to minimise this?

planAplanB · 09/08/2024 09:36

I've just spoken quietly to husband to ask if he's going to have a conversation with our son this morning about last night. Husband said that he didn't do anything. When I said that it was wrong that he'd grab he'd his wrists, called him stupid and chased him in anger, he said that he simple met our child with the same response and it was not unreasonable. I literally don't know what to do. I told him that he was the adult and he was out of control. Husband then went on to say, well DS was shouting and hit me, like it was an excuse. I'm currently running the kids a bath with the intention of driving them to my mums house today. She's an hour away.

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lastminpanic23 · 09/08/2024 08:41

The posters having a go at op and instructing her to 'safeguard' her child from its father...how do you suggest she does this? If they split the father will have unsupervised access to the child because, like it or not, none of these behaviours will be on a courts radar for preventing contact.
Obviously it's horrible behaviour but it's not bad enough to withhold contact in the eyes of a family court so simply 'packing a bag and protecting your child' isn't very realistic in the long run.
Op I suggest you talk calmly to your dh and explain that your dc won't be small always. If he continues to intimidate and upset him in this way there's a good chance he won't want to have contact with him when he's older and by that point it will be his choice.
I know what it's like to co parent with someone whose views and parenting style is very different to yours. It's awful. You should never have to feel like you have to protect your child from their other parent.

vivainsomnia · 09/08/2024 08:26

Of course it's not good behaviour. One point though, why didn't your son obeyed his father when told to go his room?

Heronwatcher · 09/08/2024 08:13

And yes I would be out of the door by now- either you need to get him out or sell something and rent for a few months whilst your divorce is finalised.

Heronwatcher · 09/08/2024 08:12

Sorry OP no none of this has ever happened in my house. Yes we’ve both shouted at the kids but never called them stupid, not any of the other stuff too.

Sprogonthetyne · 09/08/2024 08:00

Shouting at child in anger

  • we probably do all shout at our kids at some point, but there's a big difference between shouting to get their attention and shouting because you've lost control yourself.

• Tapping child's bottom with his hand

  • physical violence I never OK again anyone

• Grabbing child's wrists to get him off the sofa and move him towards the door

  • very few occasions when I might grab, eg. If they were attacking sibling and wouldn't stop, so I had to physically remove them. Only as a last resort.

• Calling child stupid

  • not OK, though I am guilty of saying "that was stupid" when referring to something they have done. Silly would be a better word to use thought.

• Claiming his mothers parenting 'lets him get away with bad behaviour'

  • in a private conversation with mother, I'd say it's OK to share views on parenting. Bad mouthing the other parent to get kid, not OK.

• Chasing child in anger around island in the kitchen shouting for him to go to his room.

  • depends how angry the "in anger" is. Sending kids to their room for bad behaviour isn't unreasonable (though not my preferred strategy). If the kid runs off instead of going when told, then I can see why he would chase, so probably depends what happened before and after.
RedHelenB · 09/08/2024 07:24

Why is your child being asked to go to his room and why isn't he doing it?

Donotneedit · 08/08/2024 23:46

Hey Op, I’m so sorry you and your kids are going through this, it’s unacceptable.
It’s not as simple as just splitting though, he will get court ordered contact if he wants it and then you won’t be there to protect your kids. I hate to put it so bluntly, but this is not a simple situation.
it might be a good idea to get family law legal advice on this before you make further moves, it may be that you can gather evidence that might help. I have spent a lot of time in the family court system and from experience I would say that a direct access barrister is better than a solicitor. they are cheaper and better informed as they actually work on the front line. I can recommend a very good one if you want to pm me

DinosaurWhizz · 08/08/2024 23:08

Mine did. Although more often than every couple of months. I'd say he would be doing one of these things at least twice a week. I've left him because of it. Wish I'd left sooner. (Kids a bit younger than yours).

5128gap · 08/08/2024 23:07

There are no men in my life who would use their greater size and strength to intimidate and chastise a smaller weaker person. Men know very well that physically they have the upper hand over women and children, and are able to exploit that if they choose. Decent ones make sure they never do. Never. No exceptions, no grey areas.

Maray1967 · 08/08/2024 23:03

No - my DH has shouted at our teens occasionally, but I’ve shouted worse, I have to admit. He never shouted at them when they were young and he has never hit them or grabbed them.

VitaminSeaside · 08/08/2024 23:00

Atethehalloweenchocs · 08/08/2024 21:49

Shouting is one thing. Calling names, grabbing, hitting, physically moving a child around - those are something else completely. I dont think there is a parent alive who hasnt shouted/wanted to shout at their kids at some point. But shouting 'will you listen to me' is not necessarily abusive. What you have described is.

My son is 8 next month and I agree with this.

Saz12 · 08/08/2024 22:58

Shouting in anger - not great parenting, but occasional loss of cool resulting in a sharp "stop that!" is human. Yelling aggressively up in a childs face is not.
Physically moving child is only OK in an emergency or extreme situation. It teaches child nothing other than theyre smaller than Dad, and scares them. Also ridiculous to do this as one day they'll be far too big to be dragged around.
Chasing them around the kitchen in anger is horrible, also pointless.
Calling child "stupid" not acceptable, saying "stop being silly" or "think what you're doing..." is ok.
Telling child their mother is a rubbish parent (ie lets them away with bad behaviour) is nasty. Sounds like you cant be together, so need to reach an agreement on some boundaries then have a "no, not when I'm looking after you" type scenario. EG "Parent A lets me play online all day" gets "well, I'm not Parent A, so now its getting put away".

planAplanB · 08/08/2024 22:44

@Noseybookworm @QforCucumber
Thank you for your perspectives on this.

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Noseybookworm · 08/08/2024 22:35

planAplanB · 08/08/2024 21:25

Last time it happened was 25th June with the 10 year old. I've started a divorce but we're stuck living together.
I know it's not nice, and I do not condone any of those behaviours described but surely there are other Dads who do some of those things, right? My parenting style is very different to his.

Honestly no, we've raised 5 sons and my DH would never have behaved like this. An adult shouting, chasing, grabbing a child's wrists etc has lost their temper and lost control of themselves. Your husband should have walked away and calmed down. He's got a bloody cheek criticising your parenting frankly! I imagine things are a bit tense in the home if you are divorcing and stuck living in the same house 🙁 could this be having an effect on the children's behaviour? It might be good to take the kids to stay at your mum's for a couple of days and let things calm down. Hope your housing situation is resolved soon 💐

QforCucumber · 08/08/2024 21:58

planAplanB · 08/08/2024 21:42

I remember my Dad shouting at me when I was a kid. Maybe this is why I assume this happens every now and again in most households.
I have a great relationship with my dad btw

I think there’s a vast difference between raising your voice in frustration to what you have described.

were on week 3 of the summer holidays, I have an 8 year old - the days where he has been asked a million times to do the same thing yes there’s been sharpness and voices raised. But never has he been hit, or dragged to his room nor has he been chased or called names by an adult expected to be his role model

StripeyDeckchair · 08/08/2024 21:54

planAplanB · 08/08/2024 21:25

Last time it happened was 25th June with the 10 year old. I've started a divorce but we're stuck living together.
I know it's not nice, and I do not condone any of those behaviours described but surely there are other Dads who do some of those things, right? My parenting style is very different to his.

NO!, other Dad's do not do these things, because other Dad's do not abuse their children physically, emotionally and mentally like your husband.

He's really done a job on you, that you even think that this is some kind of common Dad behavior

Protect your poor children and stop this abuse of them.

Ponoka7 · 08/08/2024 21:54

Tell your DH that if he grabs him and won't let go, you'll phone the police. Is there anyone who would agree for you to WA video call so you have a witness? It needs recording. Leave him to sulk.

Atethehalloweenchocs · 08/08/2024 21:49

Shouting is one thing. Calling names, grabbing, hitting, physically moving a child around - those are something else completely. I dont think there is a parent alive who hasnt shouted/wanted to shout at their kids at some point. But shouting 'will you listen to me' is not necessarily abusive. What you have described is.

SpentTeabags · 08/08/2024 21:44

planAplanB · 08/08/2024 21:42

I remember my Dad shouting at me when I was a kid. Maybe this is why I assume this happens every now and again in most households.
I have a great relationship with my dad btw

I have a great relationship with my dad btw

As long as everything is on his terms, I imagine.

planAplanB · 08/08/2024 21:42

I remember my Dad shouting at me when I was a kid. Maybe this is why I assume this happens every now and again in most households.
I have a great relationship with my dad btw

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StSwithinsDay · 08/08/2024 21:42

Maybe report him to the police for assaulting her children and have him removed from the home. Get a non-molestation order.
Do those children have to live like this for however long it will take them to get divorced?

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