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ThePlumVan · 08/08/2024 11:18

..not resign, not communicate that I have a new job, literally just block and move on with my life ?

Been in current job 8 years.
Had the most horrendous Line Manager for 6 of those. I work across a matrix structure so am answerable to several Department Managers - but LM is the one who has refused to sign off legitimate expenses with receipts so I no longer submit them, has refused all training/CPD opportunities in that time, micromanages things she knows nothing about, contradicts me, produces meeting minutes that are misleading/inaccurate, requests very shading business practices be carried out and when I refuse has tantrums and tries to do it herself but again she isn’t qualified so can’t do it, won’t sign off annual leave until the week before so it’s too late to book holiday and then says they might have to be cancelled anyway depending on business need so I can never look forward to anything, books evening meetings when I have caring responsibilities, books daytime meetings onsite with no notice when I am working miles away, demands me to drop everything with the other departments when she has something that can wait and they don’t, so I end up working evenings to meet the other deadlines. If I miss a call from her will continually phone me until I pick up even if I’m in meetings, I could go on and on - but basically it’s been awful and has affected my mental health horrendously.

I don’t want to work my notice. I don’t want to see or speak or think of her ever again.
I feel bad for the other Depts, but not enough to go back (currently on annual leave).

YABU - just be professional and work your notice.
YANBU - your life has been hell for long enough, just block them and crack on with your lovely new job.

OP posts:
ruffler45 · 12/08/2024 09:48

magicstar1 · 08/08/2024 11:30

Can you just hand your notice in, and a sick note for the notice period? Get signed off with stress. If you just disappear how will they know you’ve left and pay final salary etc.

Not sure if getting signed off for stress is a good idea if your new employer gets wind of it.

weirdoboelady · 12/08/2024 09:45

No-one has mentioned it, but do spend half a day getting screenshots (rather better than forwarding stuff to yourself, as there is no record on their server) of anything you feel might be useful if they tried anything on (like suddenly dismissing you, or suing you for breach of contract). Not that I think they will, but it's one of those things that sod's law says definitely won't happen if you are prepared for it.

DisforDarkChocolate · 12/08/2024 09:44

Based on how poor HR have been and how much worse the bully will be if you work your notice I'd withhold my notice.

Start the evening before your new job with an email to your old job (HR, payroll and a sympathetic manager if there is one you worked with, even the big boss if you feel brave). State day you have left, you will not be working your notice because of twat micromanager and the potential for them to be more abusive.

Your new job can sort of HMRC, you can also log onto your personal tax account and see what happens.

Willwetalk · 12/08/2024 09:43

MakeItRain · 08/08/2024 11:24

If it's affecting your mental health could you get signed off sick for the period of your notice? I wouldn't just leave as I would be too worried about repercussions. At least if you work your notice, after that you can be sure never to have nothing to do with them again.

This. I've done it. You need to do it.

Emmz1510 · 12/08/2024 09:39

Surely there will be tax implications if you start a new job without formally finishing the old? Plus they might later claim you owe them wages.
I agree with others. Grin and bear it for the rest of your notice period or go off sick.

vickylou78 · 12/08/2024 09:38

Write a formal notice letter then see if you can get signed off on stress (although you may need to declare to new employer?) so id probably work the Notice so you have a clean sickness record.

Definitely put in a complaint about your Line Manager. Not sure why you haven't already though?

Greentreesandbushes · 12/08/2024 09:33

You need to resign. Otherwise it will look like you have two jobs to hmrc (50% tax) plus your current company will need to formally end your employment, which may take longer than notice period.

Resign, how much annual leave do you have?

BananaLambo · 12/08/2024 09:31

Someone will come along who knows more about this than me, but if you have had a grievance upheld and nothing was done, and your manager actually got worse, then surely you have a claim for constructive dismissal. Your manager is behaving inappropriately by withholding expenses and annual leave and you should be reporting that to their manager and HR. I’d be tempted to get some advice from ACAS or an employment lawyer before pushing the nuclear button.

ruffler45 · 12/08/2024 09:30

Just confirms the conclusion I came to long time ago in that Rank is no indicator of ability. The number of times I have come across it....

Look for a new job even temping work until you find another full time job.

When HR ask why you are leaving ignore it as sounds like they wont do anything about anyway and give them an easy out.

Curlewwoohoo · 12/08/2024 09:27

This sounds awful. Unfortunately my DH has just been through similar. He was supposed to do 3 months notice. In the end he did 1 month, helped along by telling HR some of the shenanigans and the fact he'd been put on beta blockers for anxiety. When we were looking things up I don't think there's anything much an employer can do if you don't work your notice, other than take you to court for costs which probably isn't worth their time.

Unequivocallyblue · 12/08/2024 09:27

I had a similar thing in my last job. What I did was hand my notice in and then went immediately to the GP and said how bad the situation is and that I knew it would be worse in my notice period and got signed off. I had no HR department as the company was small and the person was the MD and he took great delight in reminding me I had no one else to complain to.

Once I had resigned and was signed off and had handed back all my laptop phone stuff I blocked everything, however to get to me one individual resorted to using their personal email and phone number to get at me... (I was then so angry and petty I used his personal email and phone and signed him up to whatever telemarketing/porn/call girl sites I could find - childish but I was so angry) It was awful I know how you feel and I am so sorry you have endured 6 years....

Thirstysue · 12/08/2024 09:20

She'll be baying for blood so best just to get signed off sick.

PrettyJunglePlant · 12/08/2024 09:19

HR are never there for the employees. That is fore sure as sure the sun shines in daytime and the moon in night time

I had smiles, laughs and chit chats with HR girlies all the time and the day when my boss said he won't pass my probation ( but actually saying the complete opposite) two weeks ago and these ladies completely froze. No help, no eye contact, nothing, just one cold email for leaving without even a signature, just department

I cannot believe you did this for 6 years. Why?

SweetBirdsong · 12/08/2024 09:16

How on EARTH have you tolerated this for SIX YEARS? Confused

I would just go down the professional route of doing it properly. 'When someone else aims low you go high' etc........

Otherstories2002 · 12/08/2024 09:11

ThePlumVan · 08/08/2024 11:26

Yes I attempted to involve HR - it’s very clear they’re not there for me.

My only option is to leave. It’s taken a lot to be in a position to go through a recruitment process, it’s affected me that much.

If you don’t resign you’re in breach of contract.

CouldBeOuting · 12/08/2024 08:47

magicstar1 · 08/08/2024 11:30

Can you just hand your notice in, and a sick note for the notice period? Get signed off with stress. If you just disappear how will they know you’ve left and pay final salary etc.

Do this. I did this when I was in a similar position. Boss made my life hell, instructed me to do something totally illegal - I was so glad to walk away.

JoyousPinkPeer · 12/08/2024 08:45

I would resign, citing the reasons why I find my position untenable. I would ask to be released from my contract of employment with immediate effect but state that I will work my notice if required.
I would go off sick if they insist I work my notice.

Beautiful3 · 12/08/2024 08:24

Yes do it properly. You'll need your p45 and reference for future jobs. You don't have to.work your notice. You could send hr an email to.say today's my last day. At least they'll know to send.you your.p45..I left an.old.job on bad terms, took a few months to.get it,.and I.was emergency taxed for those 3.months. It was annoying.

beanii · 12/08/2024 08:18

You don't HAVE to work your notice.

I'd send an email or letter saying you're leaving and then block everything.

FckTheSchGateHuns · 12/08/2024 08:16

YANBU
BUT... I would put it all in writing and hand it in as notice and state the hostile work environment is why you will not be working the notice period.

k1233 · 10/08/2024 22:45

AgainstTheOddsNo2 · 10/08/2024 21:33

Do this exactly. Or you can "negotiate" an exit deal with hr an the understanding you won't claim for constructive dismissal (which it sounds like this is if they haven't responded to an upheld grievance and are behaving otherwise unreasonably)

I would say only do that if all of your pay and entitlements are current and you don't need anything else paid to you. I had an employee do the no notice thing once. If he'd spoken to me I would have been flexible on notice but he decided he was going to be a smart arse and wasn't going to show up anymore. Unfortunately for him we were just about to process pays and I legally withheld payment equivalent to notice period. It's the only time I've ever done that and was solely because of his attitude.

Personally I have quit a place that was hell on wheels while I was on leave. There was no way I could have gone back.

It can be done, you've just got to follow the terms of your appointment so you are not adversely impacted.

AgainstTheOddsNo2 · 10/08/2024 21:33

Bumblefuzz · 10/08/2024 21:06

Send your resignation in at close of business on the last day of your holiday, with immediate effect.

Detail every single reason why you are doing so and the fact that you have previously reported issues to HR who have ignored your concerns.

In the letter, make it clear that the behaviours have not been that of a reasonable employer and that it has affected your health. Advise them that they have breached the implied term of mutual trust and confidence which is why you do not feel able to fulfil your contractual notice.

Somebody in HR will shit themselves and they would have to take you to court for breach of contract (not serving your notice). They won't as the only thing they can claim is any difference between your cost and the cost of any replacement.

Do this exactly. Or you can "negotiate" an exit deal with hr an the understanding you won't claim for constructive dismissal (which it sounds like this is if they haven't responded to an upheld grievance and are behaving otherwise unreasonably)

StripeyDeckchair · 10/08/2024 21:24

Grow up
You can't not resign & disappear off the face of the earth. Its childish, what would you do if they did a welfare call with the police?, what will you do when you need a reference from them?

Resign
Take all your personal possessions home
Hand in any company assets - laptop etc
Phone in sick for your notice period

Bumblefuzz · 10/08/2024 21:06

Send your resignation in at close of business on the last day of your holiday, with immediate effect.

Detail every single reason why you are doing so and the fact that you have previously reported issues to HR who have ignored your concerns.

In the letter, make it clear that the behaviours have not been that of a reasonable employer and that it has affected your health. Advise them that they have breached the implied term of mutual trust and confidence which is why you do not feel able to fulfil your contractual notice.

Somebody in HR will shit themselves and they would have to take you to court for breach of contract (not serving your notice). They won't as the only thing they can claim is any difference between your cost and the cost of any replacement.

LibertyPrime · 10/08/2024 20:57

@ThePlumVan Id still be professional even though its pickles situation

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