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To not want to buy property for fear of WW3?

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Vizella · 07/08/2024 22:06

Hi all,

I’m finally getting to a stage where I’ve saved enough for a house deposit, earn well in a remote finance job and am willing to leave London to go to South Yorkshire and buy a house.

Then a niggling thought in my mind says, if your house is destroyed in WW3, all your savings will go down the drain and you will be left destitute.

I appreciate that it’s a crazy thought to have but Iran and Israel are at each other’s throats and Russia has no intention of backing out of Ukraine. When people had their cities bombed in the past, how did they survive?

Tell me if I’m being unreasonable? If so, why?

OP posts:
MrsArcher23 · 08/08/2024 14:33

I'm a child of the seventies and spent my entire teenage years in the 1980s worried about WW3. I'm much more pragmatic now and, in the event of a nuclear apocalypse, I hope I won't survive the first wave. I'm laughing at the OP's idea of escaping to North America though. Surely that would be an equal target with Europe?
As for avoiding earthquakes, my SIL who lives on Vancouver island says the Big One is coming soon. She doesn't sleep with anything over her bed, the water tank and gas tank are strapped down and when we visited as few years ago, she admired a ceramic art piece I brought as a gift and said that one day all her nice things would break and be destroyed.

MsNeis · 08/08/2024 14:19

NamelessNancy · 08/08/2024 14:12

Oh yes, Cascadia subduction zone is a great rabbit hole to explore!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascadia_subduction_zone?wprov=sfla1

Ooh, thanks for that (genuinely)! 🤓

NamelessNancy · 08/08/2024 14:12

CostcoHotDog · 08/08/2024 13:58

The Pacific Coast is all earthquake prone. There's a super quake overdue in the Pacific NW and California is overdue for the big one. There has even been significant earthquakes in the Midwest and East coast. No where in the usa is completely earthquake free.

There are also sporadic hurricanes and occasional tornados (usually over water).

Edited

Oh yes, Cascadia subduction zone is a great rabbit hole to explore!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascadia_subduction_zone?wprov=sfla1

Starlight1979 · 08/08/2024 14:10

Thatusernamewastaken · 08/08/2024 08:28

Can just imagine the Supreme Leader of Iran gathering his generals in the war room and shouting "this, this is where we strike!" as he points to Mexborough on a map of the world.

Or Pontefract 😂

CostcoHotDog · 08/08/2024 13:58

PyongyangKipperbang · 08/08/2024 01:17

the states that dont have those things are the ones closest to Russia........

Aus wont have anyone, so maybe New Zealand? Or South Asia as the aggressors are less likely attack those nearest to themselves (yes China, I am looking at you).

The Pacific Coast is all earthquake prone. There's a super quake overdue in the Pacific NW and California is overdue for the big one. There has even been significant earthquakes in the Midwest and East coast. No where in the usa is completely earthquake free.

There are also sporadic hurricanes and occasional tornados (usually over water).

Marshmallowbrain · 08/08/2024 13:52

Hi @Vizella I don't want you to think you're mad.

We've just bought our first house and I've had this thought too so you aren't completely alone in your thinking. I'm fully aware I catastrophise and am able to move these thoughts along eventually but yeah, have thought that myself.

Butwhybecause · 08/08/2024 13:50

Singleaftermarriage · 07/08/2024 22:09

Ww3 will be nuclear. You won't be here so won't need a house!

But the house should survive!

BMW6 · 08/08/2024 13:47

And also, America is a rather large place….I’m sure the op can find an area that doesn’t have tornadoes, hurricanes and earthquakes….

Sure, but the OP would need to move there as soon as possible because if she waits till WW3 starts (or even looks like a real possibility) she won't be able to leave the UK at all...........

Better apply to US immigration now OP. Good luck with that........

NamelessNancy · 08/08/2024 13:38

Our nuclear subs are based in Scotland. Might be more of a target than even South Yorkshire!

CharlotteLucas3 · 08/08/2024 13:30

Ok op I’m going to go against the general consensus here. These are my thoughts:

Whilst I think it’s unlikely that there will be WW3, I think there’s a lot of uncertainty at the moment. I think that climate change and mass migration are a far bigger threat to us than war. The truth is that we don’t know what’s going to happen. I read in New Scientist that the world’s forests have recently been emitting more carbon than they’ve been absorbing. So essentially, unless the forest fires stop we may as well have no forest. That could create huge and quite immediate problems in the form of feedback loops. I’m not a scientist but that’s surely common sense?

So yes, your WW3 plan is quite amusing but in my opinion, going on with your life as if everything is normal is far more deluded. I don’t know whether you should buy a house but I don’t think it’s completely silly to keep a bit of flexibility in your plans. I mean, I don’t know what you’d do in this country except to drive to the north of Scotland and then starve.

Sorry for not telling you that you’re mad🤣

And also, America is a rather large place….I’m sure the op can find an area that doesn’t have tornadoes, hurricanes and earthquakes….🙄

Mitsky · 08/08/2024 12:50

It’s really entertained me that in the event of WW3 your plan is to rock up in the US and instantly find the perfect safe house in a perfect location.

Whothefuckdoesthat · 08/08/2024 12:38

Vizella · 07/08/2024 22:10

Not necessarily. If my savings are liquid, then I can pay to escape somewhere safer. If they’re locked in a mortgage then I’m no better off than a poor person.

How are you planning on escaping and where to?

The banks won’t be open because if we get to the stage where anyone with a few quid and the right passport thinks it’s time to make a run for it, their staff will be sorting themselves out, not going into work. Even if they were, they wouldn’t let you withdraw thousands in cash because everyone would be doing it. And I can’t imagine that any commercial pilots or sailors would risk being blasted out of the sky or sea simply to save your neck. And where do you think would take you if you’re not a citizen?

If we get to that stage, we’re all buggered, so you may as well be in the comfort of your own home.

NamelessNancy · 08/08/2024 12:21

Why is it that we have right wing media loudly decrying immigration, rioting on the streets, Farage in parliament, yet posters seem to think they can just choose where they are going to head to when the bombs start falling?

Flowers4me · 08/08/2024 12:21

Not to undermine your worry OP, but some of the responses made me laugh. Seriously though, get to Yorkshire, its beautiful and you're near to the Peak District - there may be some caves to hide in if there's WW3.

Boomer55 · 08/08/2024 11:57

Live your life. However and whenever you die, there are no pockets in a shroud.🙄

someonethatyoulovetoomuch · 08/08/2024 11:54

MyOtherCarisAVauxhallZafira · 07/08/2024 22:13

I live on the outskirts of London, in an area heavily bombed in ww2 especially, my house has survived two world wars and so has most of my neighbourhood.
So your panic around this even happening (ww3) is irrational, then add onto that even if there was a ww3 what are the chances of a random part of Yorkshire being targeted, it's not like you're moving to downing street, and then add on even by some crazy long shot ww3 does happen and Yorkshire undergoes the modern equivalent of the blitz, your house will still probably be fine.

Take it you’re not aware of the Sheffield Blitz then? Sheffield was heavily bombed in WW2, although granted the steelworks have all but gone now, but maybe the “enemy” will have a real hatred of hendersons relish. You can never be too careful when catastrophising about future events which may or may not happen and about which you have no control over.

OP - in the event of nuclear war you may as well die in the comfort of your own home than in an over priced rental. I doubt you’d be able to flee to America, and they will definitely be heavily involved if not instrumental in any world war which does break out.

Peonies12 · 08/08/2024 11:48

Vizella · 07/08/2024 22:10

Not necessarily. If my savings are liquid, then I can pay to escape somewhere safer. If they’re locked in a mortgage then I’m no better off than a poor person.

If it genuinely was WW3, surely they'd be nowhere to go?!
Sorry but your mindset is bizarre. You can't live like that, it's unhealthy.

Vizella · 08/08/2024 11:43

Thatusernamewastaken · 08/08/2024 08:28

Can just imagine the Supreme Leader of Iran gathering his generals in the war room and shouting "this, this is where we strike!" as he points to Mexborough on a map of the world.

This made me laugh out loud 😂 Thanks for that!

My next step is to show this thread to my siblings and pretend I didn’t write it and see what their objective responses are.

Thanks so much everyone for helping me see sense 👍

OP posts:
Kelly51 · 08/08/2024 10:30

Your thinking is quite skewed; firstly America isn't a safe landscape; divisive country, has nearly every natural disaster ie tornado etc, also how would you get there? secondly you're far more likely to be killed in an RTA despite you're 'oh I'll not get hit by a bus'

MargotEmin · 08/08/2024 10:27

Vizella · 07/08/2024 22:10

Not necessarily. If my savings are liquid, then I can pay to escape somewhere safer. If they’re locked in a mortgage then I’m no better off than a poor person.

The irony is that this kind of bonkers risk averseness would probably make you quite a good homeowner.

Blueberrymuffin8 · 08/08/2024 09:57

No one ever thought lockdown would happen but it did.

Anything is possible.

Downunderduchess · 08/08/2024 09:44

Your job is remote, chances are if your house is destroyed you’ll be in it, so you won’t need anywhere else to live. Buy the house & enjoy your life.

RazzleDazz1e · 08/08/2024 09:36

Vizella · 07/08/2024 22:19

America- somewhere remote and with a good enough climate- no tornadoes, hurricanes or earthquakes.

So just go now then

timenowplease · 08/08/2024 09:34

OneTC · 07/08/2024 22:14

Buy one with a bunker

Funny enough, I've viewed a few houses in Yorkshire with Anderson shelters in good condition. Perfect for OP.

behindthemall · 08/08/2024 09:32

Vizella · 07/08/2024 22:19

America- somewhere remote and with a good enough climate- no tornadoes, hurricanes or earthquakes.

I’d probably just focus on getting a visa and moving there.