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Angry men problem is bigger than racism…

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anxioussister · 07/08/2024 15:52

I was speaking to a close friend this morning who is part of the leadership at a local mosque. He was expressing despair about what the world could do with all these angry young (and not so young) men

It reminded me of the Scott Galloway quote ‘there is no one on earth so dangerous as a young man who is poor and alone’ - and by alone meaning not attached to a meaningful career, purpose or community. I think he’s right.

Obviously racist attacks are abhorrent - but what on earth is society supposed to do about all these people?

they are so angry, seem largely extremely poorly educated + unable to emotionally regulate themselves. How can they be plugged in to society so they can contribute something + feel part of something rather than just raging about what they aren’t given?

YABU - this is mainly a race issue

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NeedSomeAnswersPlease · 07/08/2024 16:16

CaptainBolt · 07/08/2024 16:09

Yes, there is a wider issue of angry, aggressive men. Sometimes it does feel like they do nothing to help themselves, though. What's the answer? Better male role models? Men's groups? More responsibility? More loving childhoods? More disciplined childhoods?

I think it could just be the way they deal with misery. Many women are miserable and angry, too (much more likely to attempt suicide than men), but we obviously aren't violent.

Life in Britain today isn't conducive to happiness. There are too many people everywhere, too many cars on the road, too much stimulation everywhere. Most people don't have space to recover and live a good life, or THE good life. Working all the time doesn't even pay for a home.

I don't know why humans choose to live like this when we could have idyllic lives as a global population of 1 million and infinite resources to share and enjoy. But no, it's always "more, more, more".

All of the above are the answer

Wanttobefree2 · 07/08/2024 16:15

Ilovetuesdays · 07/08/2024 16:09

Young men full of energy and anger with no outlet but agression and violence.

National service doesn't seem such a bad idea now.

You’re not wrong there!

Ilovetuesdays · 07/08/2024 16:09

Young men full of energy and anger with no outlet but agression and violence.

National service doesn't seem such a bad idea now.

CaptainBolt · 07/08/2024 16:09

Yes, there is a wider issue of angry, aggressive men. Sometimes it does feel like they do nothing to help themselves, though. What's the answer? Better male role models? Men's groups? More responsibility? More loving childhoods? More disciplined childhoods?

I think it could just be the way they deal with misery. Many women are miserable and angry, too (much more likely to attempt suicide than men), but we obviously aren't violent.

Life in Britain today isn't conducive to happiness. There are too many people everywhere, too many cars on the road, too much stimulation everywhere. Most people don't have space to recover and live a good life, or THE good life. Working all the time doesn't even pay for a home.

I don't know why humans choose to live like this when we could have idyllic lives as a global population of 1 million and infinite resources to share and enjoy. But no, it's always "more, more, more".

cupcaske123 · 07/08/2024 16:08

It reminded me of the Scott Galloway quote ‘there is no one on earth so dangerous as a young man who is poor and alone’ - and by alone meaning not attached to a meaningful career, purpose or community. I think he’s right.

It's a really interesting question. The incel movement, now classed as terrorist, is exactly that; a load of men and boys who are very angry and are scapegoating women for everything wrong in their lives. I believe the common denominator in all individual terrorist attacks has been a history of misogyny and domestic abuse.

Extremism divides the world into very simple divisions. With religious extremism for example, I am serving god and everyone and everything else is evil. It's easy for someone with a vacuum in their life to get sucked up in black and white thinking.

KreedKafer · 07/08/2024 16:07

I don't think it's just angry men, though. We like to think it's only men that behave like this but there were loads of women at the riots (or 'protest' if that's what we're going to keep pretending they are) I've witnessed and just as many women as men inciting hatred on social media.

In my experience of witnessing far-right violence over the years, the women in these situations are less likely to involve themselves physically in the violence, but will happily turn up to applaud, condone and encourage it.

User6874356 · 07/08/2024 16:06

We see angry young men In many communities causing trouble including the Muslim community. I don’t know how to address it but it’s not just coming from one place.

decionsdecisions62 · 07/08/2024 16:06

The people rioting have generally got low educational attainment and don't understand or comprehend how they are being manipulated by social media.

decionsdecisions62 · 07/08/2024 16:04

I think if you are from an ethnic minority then you would probably disagree!

NeedSomeAnswersPlease · 07/08/2024 16:04

@dropoutin poor education due to the lack of provision for their communities, mainly. It's not just my opinion, it's a sociological fact

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 07/08/2024 16:03

NeedSomeAnswersPlease · 07/08/2024 15:56

Congrats

These are people living in very deprived areas, who have had all services stripped from them, lost jobs and job opportunities and been told, repeatedly, that it's due to immigrants and not because of the government

WTAF? Disability hate crime is a huge issue because those same people have been told and being told that disability benefits are bankrupting the country, that they will make work pay, that normal ups and downs are being medicalised, we have a sick note culture, and that we have those who can work but don’t work they go off on the sick instead..

This country has been trotting out several scapegoats

  • Immigrants
  • Ethnic and religious minorities.
  • Disabled
  • OAPs
All of these are being blamed for the tough times that “hard working (white British) families” are facing.
Halfemptyhalfling · 07/08/2024 16:02

The Muslim, Hindi and Catholic east European have communities, lots of children and young people and shop locally in their own shops so they are thriving.

White British men are rare in churches and shop in private equity multinational places so all the profits get hived off to offshore tax havens with less and less available to local authorities to run traditional British things and the churches are more and more pockets of very old people who no longer have the energy to run youth groups etc

dropoutin · 07/08/2024 16:01

NeedSomeAnswersPlease · 07/08/2024 15:56

Congrats

These are people living in very deprived areas, who have had all services stripped from them, lost jobs and job opportunities and been told, repeatedly, that it's due to immigrants and not because of the government

I've been told that repeatedly too, it doesn't mean I have to believe it. What's stopping them from blaming the people who are actually to blame?

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 07/08/2024 16:00

YABU
there is always anger towards the Gov, the world, and discontent.
the problem is scapegoating people worse off than you as the cause of the above.

The riots today are racist scapegoating, just like the witch hunts were misogynist scapegoating.

NeedSomeAnswersPlease · 07/08/2024 15:56

Redgreenfroggy · 07/08/2024 15:55

They've been entirely let down by the tories but need someone to blame

eh-
i am disabled I have been let down time and time again by the bloody tories but I don’t have any plans to go out and and turn into a thug

Congrats

These are people living in very deprived areas, who have had all services stripped from them, lost jobs and job opportunities and been told, repeatedly, that it's due to immigrants and not because of the government

Redgreenfroggy · 07/08/2024 15:55

They've been entirely let down by the tories but need someone to blame

eh-
i am disabled I have been let down time and time again by the bloody tories but I don’t have any plans to go out and and turn into a thug

NeedSomeAnswersPlease · 07/08/2024 15:53

They've been entirely let down by the tories but need someone to blame

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