Shamima Begum

They where not all blonde -what an odd statement. But if you care about teenagers being groomed and manipulated then yes just like them, so I guess you feel she should come home?

Incidentally that case was pushed into light by a health worker and the girls themselves and the main reason the police and social services didn't act wasn't 'race' but a misogynistic view of young women including thinking they knew what they where doing and profiting from it. Very similar to the views about this 15 year old - and that's wrong - yes?

Of course. She is British. It's racist to remove her citizenship just because her parents are of Bangladeshi origin especially when Bangladesh have clearly said they won't give her citizenship. It sets a very nasty precedent that shows that clearly not all British citizens are equally British in the eyes of the law.

Exactly. She is not the acceptable (white) face of a victim

It's mostly the bleeding heart white middle class defending her... and you can't call her a victim (nonsense) and then accuse anyone who disagrees with that as being racist.

I think it was the right decision. She has never given any indication that she feels any remorse or takes any responsibility for anything she has done. I actually think she has been quite honest about her belief that she is entitled to return to the UK for her own benefit without changing any of her views.

Exactly. She is not the acceptable (white) face of a victim

I think she should be allowed to have British Citizenship, as she was born and raised in the UK. I also think she should be rehabilitated as an inpatient and then placed on terrorism watch lists for the rest of her life, with no access to a passport.

RedWinePoliticsAndHair · Today 14:41
Kids frequently play stupid games and she was a kid. She's had what, three or more babies die and is stateless in a camp? Even though she was born a British citizen? It's terrifying. If it can happen to her it can happen to you.

Totally agree with this. @Pottedpalm , really don't think it's ridiculous at all.

The decapitated heads in the bins have also had their lives put on hold somewhat.

Exactly 👏👏

Can’t believe the number of people calling it a ‘stupid decision’ made at 15 and suggesting it’s something any 15 year old could do…!

A stupid decision for a normal 15 year old would be pinching a bike, drinking alcohol in the park until you’re sick or telling lies that you were with friends at the cinema but actually went out clubbing….. Joining a terrorist organisation is not even slightly similar and I’m stunned at the number of people who think it is.

Do please explain how the rule of law has been ignored. The decision to remove her citizenship was entirely lawful.

Regarding your charge of racism, see the case of Anna Chapman who had her citizenship revoked for spying for Russia. The only reason your daughter wouldn't have her citizenship revoked is that it would leave her stateless. Whilst Begum is stateless now, the decision at the time did not leave her stateless. She became stateless on her 21st birthday when she allowed her Bangladeshi citizenship to lapse.

I don't think she should have been stripped of her UK citizen ship.

For those who think otherwise, there was an interesting programme on R4 a little while back, about a grandfather searching for his grandchildren in the camps.

They also interviewed women trapped there, similar to Samima, they are well and truly trapped in no man's land!
They are human beings, whose lives are on hold until someone, somewhere decides otherwise.

I'll try and find it later when I have a bit more time... (a quick search didn't bring it up, so I hope it's still available!!)

@mirax
How wonderfully hysterical. This girl has not killed anyone though. If I'd said IRA, would that have helped? "Blued eyed" enough to make my point? Blued eyed people are capable of the same level of violence as the non blue eyed. Hth

@Aussieland

How about they remove your citizenship when you make a stupid decision at 15 led by a friend telling you she has moved to an awesome place where everyone is happy? And then your children all die and you are left living in a camp?

Well when you put it like that, it could happen to anyone couldn't it?

One minute you're doing your GCSE's, listening to pop music and chatting with friends about fashion, boys and your hobbies. The next you've wandered off into the middle of a festival of rape, beheadings and suicide bombings, cheering on deranged terrorists in an enclave that's trying to return to the dark ages, thousands of miles away.

Only by luck that it wasn't us, isn't it?

🙄

So relieved its been the final NO! How of much tax payers money has been spent on this so far. Hopefully thats the end of it. Shes made her bed, she can bloody well lie in it

She's not British.

I agree with prior posters re being a child and being groomed. I also think, if we do think she’s a threat, surely we would prefer her in Britain where she can be watched very carefully?

On a personal level I don't like her and don't care what happens to her. I don't buy the "she was 15" arguments. Most 15 year olds know murder and suicide bombing is wrong and don't go to actively participate/support it.

On a more fundamental level, however, I don't think she should have had her citizenship removed. She was born in the UK and it sets a dangerous precedent of ignoring the rule of law. It is also blatantly racist in that if my white, blonde, christian-background daughter (who was also born in the UK) did this there is absolutely no way she would have her citizenship revoked. Given a life sentence, maybe, but not have citizenship revoked. That's why I think it needs to be reinstated, regardless of what Begum is actually like/if she feels remorse, etc.

I want to be able to trust that our government and legal system actually follow the law (don't take it for granted that they do, by the way - they are currently ignoring declarations of the ICJ regarding Israel, so they very much pick and choose which laws they want to follow, which is pretty terrifying).

Yes she was. As much as anyone else born in the UK. Until they removed her citizenship and left her stateless. How about they remove your citizenship when you make a stupid decision at 15 led by a friend telling you she has moved to an awesome place where everyone is happy? And then your children all die and you are left living in a camp? But it’s fine because the courts said you aren’t British so there 🤷‍♀️

She did not openly show remorse initially at a time when she was still very much under the watch of ISIS and could have been punished in the camp if she had criticised them.

Even if she personally is a terrorist it really doesn’t matter. She is a British terrorist if so and should be dealt with through British courts

How dare they disagree! For what it's worth I think as a British citizen she's a problem Britain should deal with. However she's hard to sympathise with.

It's not permitted in the UK, with good reason.

And times have changed, when I was a teen, we always went out with boys and young men who were unsuitably old. I briefly dated a 26 year old when I was 19. OK I wasn't 15. It may not be acceptable now but don't be so determined to shout grooming, as if women don't have free will.

And to address another poster's point, the Daily Heil isn't making the decision - the highest judges in the land are, and they aren't silly old codgers from 1970s courts who tell rape victims they were asking for it, they are sensible, intelligent, highly educated professionals.

I really couldn't give a stuff about her. I am far more concerned about all the women who will be murdered by men this week. As if there haven't been enough already in recent months and years.

Maybe people should read the thread

Everyone who thinks she was too young at the age of 15, I remind you of scarlet Jenkinson who planned and carried out the murder of Brianna ghey at the age of 15.

15 is old enough to know what’s right and what’s wrong.

They served their sentence and were freed.
SB should serve a sentence here. Not be dumped on another country. We have to manage our own criminals.

Syrians would almost certainly rather have her there themselves than have her living the life of luxury in a UK prison (before serving 1/3 and being released)

Nope