Shamima Begum

@GlitterGirlZone oh really? So you think girls groomed at 13 by older men for sexual purposes, the girls are at fault too? Not the men.

If Bangladesh had revoked her right to citizenship first what do people feel should have been done then?

She had a citizenship under Bangladesh’s rules, not the UK’s. The UK can’t be held responsible for another country’s citizenship laws. They could have different laws if they liked. How is it not fair if they have to keep their own laws?

I think people are missing my original point, which is not about whether it's fair on Ms Begum to remove her UK citizenship, but whether it's fair on Bangladesh to attempt to force them to accept her, which is effectively what the UK government is doing, if you accept their argument that removing UK citizenship won't leave her stateless.
This is not Bangladesh's problem, and I'm embarrassed by my government trying to make it so.

If it’s a term of keeping keeping citizenship when you are a duel citizen that’s exactly what it is. There’s plus sides and clearly downsides of duel citizenship like Americans if earning too much paying multiple tax. Downside commit a crime and be deported and loose citizenship. That’s the deal.

she was automatically entitled and a citizen of another country till she was 20/21 or something. Then she would have to apply as an adult. We removed it for her being a terrorist while she still had another.

That's very easy to say but dual citizenship means we are full citizens. It's not like we are half citizens with only half the rights in each country.

(Also, Shemima Begum doesn't have dual citizenship. In fact right now she has no citizenship).

I think if he committed a crime in either his other country of citizenship or in a third jurisdiction, his UK citizenship might count for very little. Australia will wash its hands of you in the parallel situation - dual nationality cuts no ice with them.

The answer to not wanting your citizenship stripped as a duel citizen is not to commit crimes 🤷🏻‍♀️

Kind of missed the point there though. We should not be dumping this problem on Bangladesh.
My DH is a dual citizen (not Bangladesh) and has visited the other country many times, but it would be totally ridiculous if he committed a crime and the UK government suddenly decided that despite being born, raised and educated in the UK they would deprive him of his UK citizenship and leave the other place to deal with him.

So she held Bangladeshi citizenship but that stopped at 21 because she didn’t confirm it, even though she had been stripped of UK citizenship before she turned 21? Interesting decision. I wonder who was advising her.

Sajid Javid who was Home Secretary at the time basically said that if the public were privy to the evidence they had seen they would fully understand why she was stripped of her citizenship. Based on the evidence he said she was a threat to national security and that is why the decision was taken to revoke her citizenship.

She is indeed our problem and our courts have dealt with her. Would her next step be an appeal to the ICHR? I don’t know how that would work.

To those saying she has never seemed remorseful - SHE IS IN SYRIA - presumably surrounded by ISIS sympathisers - if she walked away from any interviews having slated ISIS and crying remorse she would have been killed.

also once out there, suddenly realising what a huge mistake she has made - she would have been killed if she tried to escape.

Yes I agree with that and if I understand correctly while she could apply for Bangladeshi citizenship, Bangladesh has clearly said they will not grant her citizenship. She is stateless now.

No, the justification is not that she was eligible for Bangladeshi citizenship. The justification is that, at the time her British citizenship was removed, she also held Bangladeshi citizenship. That lapsed when she reached 21, so she is now stateless. Had she only been eligible for Bangladeshi citizenship, it would not have been possible for the government to remove her British citizenship legally and the courts would have intervened.

My objection to her losing her UK citizenship is that the UK government's justification is that she is a dual citizen, because she is legally eligible for Bangladeshi citizenship.

Regardless of what she's done, or whether she is sinner or sinned-against, this is grossly unfair on the people of Bangladesh.

She was born and raised in the UK. She was radicalised while living here in the UK and attending a British school. It was a failure of UK agencies that allowed her to be radicalised and then flown out to ISIS. She is a UK problem.

How on earth is it OK for the UK government to dump our problem on a country where she has never lived, who have never issued her a passport, and who have made it very clear that they want nothing to do with her? She should be brought back to the UK and tried here.

She was groomed and a child and trafficked. The double standards in this country never cease to amaze me.

Stupid is stupid like thombstoning off a bridge stealing from Asda. Joining a terrorist organisation is far far far above stupid.

I was pregnant with a fiancé and a house at 17 to some stupid. Still not a terrorist though.

I can't find any source that says she has dual citizenship. I found this on the BBC news website:

'What happened in the Shamima Begum case?
In February 2020, a tribunal ruled that removing Ms Begum's citizenship was lawful because she was "a citizen of Bangladesh by descent". It said removing her British nationality would not make her stateless.
However, Bangladesh said that was not the case and that she would not be allowed into the country.'

It's highly likely that she will face trial if she is let back into the country.

What will she face trial for?

How many of us did stupid things at 15 and regret it? You don't have the emotional maturity at this age and she was groomed.

Her citizenship was not removed "just because" her parents are of Bangladeshi origin. At the time her citizenship was removed she also held Bangladeshi citizenship. That lapsed when she was 21 because she chose not to take it up.

Similarly, Anna Chapman (who is white) was a British citizen through marriage. She also held Russian citizenship. Her British citizenship was removed following her conviction for spying for Russia.

The law is that British citizenship cannot be removed if it leaves the individual stateless. However, if you hold dual citizenship your British citizenship can be removed if that is conducive to the public good.

I thought she was a straight "A" student. I thought all three were which is why it was so odd that they gave it all up

Nevertheless she is our problem and probably she should be brought back - not just yet though, she'd be sought out by the thugs out there

"Set upon by others who disagree" 😂

How DARE people who disagree with you participate in an open forum discussion! 🙄

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49385376