Shamima Begum

She said this in an interview she did years ago. She talked about watchibg beheadings and watching them in a very cold way. Her earlier interviews are very different to her latest approach.

None of what you say here is anything resembling a fact

You feel "desperately sorry" for this terrorist?!

Luckily sanity prevails within the British state and international law.

No she didn't. Until the age of 21 she had the right to apply for Bangladeshi citizenship because her father was born there. She had no guarantee she would get it. It would seem unlikely any application would succeed given that the Bangladeshi government has said publicly they would not allow her to enter the country.

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Clearly that is not a logical conclusion from my pointing out that the UK government is not behaving well. I have not proposed changing any laws, in either country, or suggested creating laws by taste.

I don't think that "it's not illegal" is sufficient justification for pushing one's own problems onto others. I expect better of myself, and I expect better of my government.

Oh well if it’s distasteful I guess that Bangladesh should not be allowed to make its own laws. Law by good taste will be a riot, possibly in more than one sense.

She was a vulnerable 15 yr old girl. She ran away. Her best friend persuaded her online. She shouldn’t be paying for this for the rest of her life, she more than suffered the consequences of her bad decisions at that time.

Not sure about his hair colour but Jihadi Jack is about as white and middle-class as you can possibly get and he had his citizenship revoked and was tried in the country where he committed his crimes, as tends to happen when you commit crimes abroad.

YANBU OP, I feel so desperately sorry for her.
How she has been treated by the British state is an abomination , and shouldn’t be allowed under international law.

I'd like to know if she was involved in keeping women and children as slaves, if she really did sew people into suicide vests, if she was part of the morality patrols that beat women or earmarked them for death for showing their face, hair or an inch of flesh. Did she have any involvement with the prisoners who were tortured and killed? Let her be put on trial abroad like other ISIS/ISIL brides or like Jihadi Jack. She's lucky she's amongst sympathetic people in a camp and not in a prison.

It was because Bangladesh said if she ever turned up there, they would execute her. I wouldn't have exercised my right to apply for citizenship under those circumstances either.

"I reckon if she had made a clear apology from the start and completely renounced ISIS and everything they stand for then she would have got a more favourable outcome."

While living in a camp full of ISIS sympathisers? That would have been an extremely dangerous thing for her to do. No idea whether she would even want to, but she isn't exactly free to speak up if she does.

Just to add has anyone read what her ex husband has said previously (he has now changed his tune a bit)? He admits to beating and raping her daily to teach her how to be a good jihadi wife, she was 15. Throw in three pregnancies in camps, births and the death of her babies, were was the time to be the dangerous individual that she's made out to be? It was also a massive failure by the police that those girls were able to fly out of the UK.

We know that she was groomed because two people were charged at the time. Not just for grooming her, but others as well. She came under the trafficking conditions enough that she should have been viewed as a child trafficked for sexual exploitation.
At the time we said that she couldn't come back, her last child was alive. We let 300 Isis fighters back in. She was the poster person for the wonderful Tory reaction to Isis and what a good job they were doing. We have very violent men who don't even hold British citizenship in British prisons and they aren't living under a threat of deportation. We let men in constantly who go straight onto watch lists. Every bomber and the likes of the London bridge stabber were known to authorities. She's had the decisions made about her because they are popular to some of the public.

Womp , womp! Are you a child? Grow up.

You can still be a straight A student and be deeply unhappy with no hope for the future. Being academic doesn't stop you from having mental health problems.

She is stateless. She lost her Bangladeshi citizenship on her 21st birthday. Bangladesh has made it clear that she would not be allowed to enter the country.

If you can't see how distasteful it is to use the law to make your own problem into someone else's problem, when they were not involved in creating the problem, and couldn't have prevented it, then really nothing else I say is going to enlighten you.

As it is, this wrangling by the UK government has made it so-far impossible for Begum to be put on trial for her alleged crimes, and since Bangladesh understandably won't make any effort to take her, she'll stay in the camp in Syria indefinitely and possibly never stand trial, to be either absolved or convicted. I don't see that as a positive thing.

Anyway I've made my point for the last time now. I'm not standing for office so it's of no real consequence if people agree or not.

No she can't go to Bangladesh. Why do you think that?

She may not have shown remorse, but would you? If you were living in a camp surrounded by dangerous and desperate people who still believe in the cause, she can't very well say she was wrong to join them and the cause is evil.

She made her choice. What she did was not a childish rebellion, it was very extreme. She isn’t stateless she could go to Bangladesh.

I do feel sorry for her. But I don't think she should be allowed back into the UK.

They have both been convicted and since released so they were forgiven.
They actually murdered someone and weren't groomed.
She should be brought back and tried if we actually want justice.

Nobody chooses to be sexually exploited, they're victims of a crime.

Seeking out extreme content and having awful thoughts is a bad thing that can harm others. Our compassion can stretch to understand this. Most people's compassion does not go as far as planning a trip to Syria, partaking it happily, and still when your little society crumbles, defending it (literally, that interview was the best acting she could pull off so you can only imagine what she really thought).