Shamima Begum

That's quite some hysterical reasoning.

The babies were the lucky ones. Who knows what kind of lives they would have had.

She made her choice. She has expressed no regret and states that she still supports ISIS and believes the propaganda.

Leaving her stateless and stranded is safer for the majority. Her wellbeing is irrelevant at this point.

A couple of silly schoolgirls with romantic ideas of finding a handsome husband. What became of the other girl?

So do you think 15 years old are simply too old to be groomed? A 15-year-old who is pursued by and has sex with her teacher - is that grooming? She’s old enough to know right from wrong, after all.

I don't think you've got the faintest idea how grooming works.

When grooming is done successfully it's entirely through manipulation to make it the victims "idea" and "choice".

It's an illusion, one that has clearly not only rubbed off on young Shamima Begum but you as well apparently if you think a happy, well adjusted child would choose to be radicalised.

Not fashionable enough for the virtue signalling middle classes. Bangladesh has just turned to chaos with hindus being hunted - Begum should feel right at home.

No blame attached to Isis then.....

Why did the government fail her?

I think Tommy R who has been inciting racial violence and terrorism from his sunbed in Corfu should be stripped of his citizenship. They did it to Shamima so why not this right wing terrorist? She was a kid when she was groomed and joined ISIS but he's a 47 Yr old man who knows exactly what he's doing. Anjem Chowdhury was recently jailed for life for inciting violence so why not these right wing thugs who are terrorising Britain today?

She was a British child. Taking away her citizenship deemed entirely inappropriate. Bring her back, put her in custody and work out if she is a risk or not and what to do with her. No one should be left stateless. I think there was a huge amount of racism in this decision and it was very knee jerk because ISIS were so horrific. A lot of other British people have done a lot worse and don’t lose their state

Her age and what she may or may not have done is irrelevant. She is (was) a British citizen and as such is our responsibility. If she committed crimes then bring her back and put her on trial for those crimes.

What crimes would she be put on trial for? If she committed those crimes abroad then how will there be witnesses etc?

I do not sympathise with her in anyway, shape or form.

But she was 15. She was groomed and the government failed her. It's not anyone else's problem to tidy up after our government's failures.

I think the Supreme Court have made the correct decision in view of all the evidence presented.

I'm a bit on the fence as well about this. However, I do believe that there are far more dangerous individuals walking free in this country than Shamima, and the authorities know who they are

This is excellent news, and absolutely the correct judgement by the Supreme Court. Now, Begum will never be able to blow herself up on a tube train or in a crowded building. Or at least not in the U.K.. She made her choice, now she can live with the consequences of that choice.

Well done, too, to Sajid Javid (a Muslim himself), the Home Secretary who had the backbone to remove British citizenship from a known terrorist. If only more politicians did likewise…

Well done to the Supreme Court judge I say!!

I’m pretty certain he knows more about the case and reasoning behind the decision
and the legalities far more than anyone on this thread… but let’s not allow that to get in the way of her sympathisers and excuse makers 🙄

The who she was groomed argument is completely moot because there is no way she was under the impression she was going over there to sow seeds,
paint pictures and bake cakes. It’s a
terrorist organisation and at 15 you know right from wrong.

Good enough for her.

She was groomed. The adult man in his 20s that she “married” at 15 was soooo dreamy she just had to go to Syria to be with him. Typical 15-year-old stuff.

It’s extremely unlikely she ever did anything over there other than be raped and have babies. She was not a fighter. That is not the role of women and girls in Islamic State ideology.

People comparing her to the Bulger killers are nuts. And by the way, they have been “forgiven”, in the sense that they served a sentence deemed appropriate for their crime and were released. What is her route to redemption?

What about the kids who killed James Bulger? Should they be forgiven?

No one is suggesting forgiving her. No one is suggesting she goes unpunished.

Is she ever comes back to the UK she will go straight to prison. Which she accepts.

We lived in that neighbourhood when the 3 girls left. She stole her sister's passport and family jewelry to finance the trip. She was not really groomed she was a willing recruit. It was carefully planned to get to Turkey.
She has never shown any remorse or regret.
I heard that one of her relatives (uncle?) went out to the border to make contact via a journalist and she refused to leave ISIS. She had a chance to come back she still thinks ISIS would make the world better.
Worthless.

I would rather live next door to her than some of the people we have walking around freely in the UK. Give me her over some paedophile who has served their sentence.

Is this the voice of contrition? If Begum came back, she would be an ISIS poster girl and in this 2019 BBC interview admits she went of her own free will:

Well, she was Bangladeshi by birth and would only have lost it at age 18 if she was a citizen somewhere else, so they can prevent her from entering Bangladesh without being arrested, but under international law and under Bangladesh’s law, she is a citizen of Bangladesh.

Yeah, 'cos 15 yr olds are totally able to make long term rational decisions.

I actually feel for her but my beef is with the British Government who totally failed to follow their own procedures, preferring instead to offer her up as a sacrifice to the media. Has anyone else noticed that the biggest accusation against her is that she's clever AND female? Shouldn't be allowed!

She should have come home and been debriefed and allowed to finish her education. She was never going to be a major player, as a child and as a woman. Did she do bad things? That's how African child soldiers are kept in the ranks when they really want to go home to their mother's. Shamina could have been our great asset against the Taliban, but she was never that important and is this expendable.

Bet you don't apply that to your own kids.