Shamima Begum

But by this token, why do you think it is the responsibility of the Kurds in Northern Syria, and Iraq, whom ISIS have already caused so much suffering, to be responsible for her?

(Whether or not you believe she was groomed, which i do, or think she should have had her citizenship removed, which I do not.)

At 15 she was a child and every effort should have been made to get her back if at all possible (which I assume it wasn't possible to do due to her being in the middle of a war).

But at 19 as an adult she told the Times that seeing decapitated heads in bins ‘didn’t faze’ her.' In correspondence with a journalist who said he was sorry for the deaths of her children she replied saying she was 'over' that. She has tried to mould herself into whatever she thinks will get most sympathy from the British public, started wearing modern clothes and a baseball cap and saying how sorry she is about it all - after the interview with the Times went down like a lead balloon. Even after that though she said in another interview that the people killed in the Manchester arena were killed in retaliation which she thought was just - but back tracked on it afterwards when pushed.

From what I can understand she could have had dual citizenship until the age of 21 of both the UK and Bangladesh, but after 21 you can't have dual nationality any more by Bangladeshi law. However she could obtain Bangladeshi citizenship now as she doesn't have UK citizenship any more - but she's not interested.

The article says she'll be going to the European Court of Human Rights next, but what really pisses me off is that £250,000 has already been wasted on her legal costs, all paid for by the British tax payer. She can fuck right off as far as I'm concerned.

Precisely, I would say

You're right, and no doubt her not attempting to obtain Bangladeshi citizenship was because she thought it would force the UK court's hand.

In reality what happened was she made herself stateless.

As far as I understand, when her citizenship was removed she was still young enough to qualify for Bangladeshi citizenship. So presumably she was not made stateless.

I further understand that the appeals are against the initial decision being appropriate or not. Not if she has subsequently lost her opportunity to take up Bangladeshi citizenship because she did not apply for it.

Edit - sorry had not seen the above post pointing out the same when I posted this

Tell me exactly what crimes Tommy Robinson has committed

Well, it's quite a long list so I might not remember his entire criminal record, but to the best of my knowledge he has been convicted of:

• Mortgage fraud
• Immigration fraud (which is ironic, isn't it)
• Drug dealing
• Drug possession
• Stalking
• Actual bodily harm
• Assaulting a police officer
• Resisting arrest
• Football hooliganism

and additionally numerous other violent crimes.

At least one of his convictions for ABH and assault of a police officer took place when the police officer was intervening in a domestic violence incident in which Robinson's girlfriend was the victim.

He is currently due to stand trial for further crimes relating to contempt of court, and his current sojourn in Cyprus is the result of him evading his legal obligation to attend his own trial.

While he hasn't (yet) been charged with any offences relating to the incitement of the current outbreak of violent racial hatred in the UK, Shamima Begum hasn't been charged with anything either. The removal of her citizenship was instead of charging her with a crime, not in addition to charging her. So if we can take away her citizenship for a potential terror offence she hasn't stood trial for, we should certainly be able to to take away Tommy Robinson's (or Steven Yaxley-Lennon's, to give him his real name) citizenship without a trial as well.

So perfectly legal 👍🏻

lay with dogs catch fleas.

Ridiculous statement!

She isn't going to be let back in. There is no longer an "if" as she's now exhausted the legal processes available to try to get back in.

Who's talking about ethnicity?

She clearly isn't British. The courts have said so.

The end.

Contrary to what has been said on this thread, the BBC article is correct. She is stateless. She used to have Bangladeshi citizenship, but she lost that when she reached her 21st birthday. Crucially, the decision to remove her British citizenship was made when she was 19. If it had been made after her 21st birthday it would have been unlawful.

Again, I am arguing the child comments.

If it was down to me, I'd have her back to live out her life in prison in the UK. She is our problem.

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She might not have done when she initially left but she sure knew what she was doing for the next however many years she stayed before her citizenship was revoked. She is also incredibly manipulative if you listen to her interviews.

I found her story fascinating. She's a genuine psychopath.

It's highly likely that she will face trial if she is let back into the country

She was also automatically entitled to wasn’t it Bangladeshi citizenship. Oh wait they don’t want her either.

The only way she should ever. Ever be allowed back should be to be locked in solitary for life. Her camps probably better than that.

I wonder how many of you bleeding hearts will hire Begum to watch your children?

She was born in Britain to parents who were legally resident in Britain and has the same right to British citizenship as anyone else born in Britain. Her nationality is British. Nationality is not determined by ethnicity.

Tell me exactly what crimes TR has committed. Which proscribed terror group has he joined? The colour of his skin is irrelevant as white jihadis have joined ISIS and been punished in similar ways to Begum in other countries.

We haven't removed their citizenship and denied them a trial, though.

We don't have to 'forgive' anyone, but we absolutely should have the same legal process of arrest and trial for all British citizens. Therefore Begum should brought back to the UK, as a British citizen, to face trial and be sentenced. Exactly like the Bulger killers were.

Blah blah she was 15 a child. I sit looking at my 15 year old with a passport who hasn’t run off to join a terrorist organisation nor join a riot or any such bullshittery.

Let her rot for her part in being for crimes against other women and children. She wasn’t sorry at all till she realised we wouldn’t let her back. Tough titties.

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I think she should have citizenship, not because I'm overflowing with sympathy for her, but because she born in Britain and was groomed/radicalised whilst in Britain. She is our problem, we can't just strip her citizenship and pretend she's nothing to do with us.

Indeed, and their punishment reflected that. Does hers?

Not all about her. She can face justice from the people she terrorised, they are who matter more.