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DP telling me I need to pay him a rent

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helloballoon · 07/08/2024 14:13

Bit of a long one here.

I've been with DP for 5 years, moved into his house 18 months ago, we have spoken about marriage etc and both fully committed and very happy. I sold my house which completed in February this year. I made some money from mine so we agreed that I would pay this off his mortgage. When we looked into this further we realised he was on a very good fixed rate deal so would be stupid to re-mortgage, this is where the issues have started. I was reluctant to pay the money off the mortgage which would remain in his name as I was worried if anything ever happened to him then I would have nothing. He has took this as me not being committed to the relationship and not trusting him. I have tried to explain that its not about that at all its about me having some security.

FWIW he has always been very generous with money, he has paid for so much while we have been together and its never been an issue. Now his view is that as soon as I have some money I wont commit it but I've been happy letting him pay for everything. I do really see his point of view but he doesn't seem to see mine.

We agreed to a Declaration of Trust which I got a solicitor to draw up, he has had this for 3 months and has done nothing with it, not even looked at it. It has caused a huge wedge between us. He has more equity than me and I'm more than happy for this to be documented.

When my house sold we also agreed to open a joint account so we effectively share money and pay all the bills out of the same account, aside from the issue above this works well for us.

The issue I am having now is that the past few arguments we have had he brings it up. We have had a argument today and in his anger he has decided to finally look at the Declaration of Trust and has told me not to bother and that we need to split our money back to separate accounts and and then I need to pay a rent to him.

I just don't know what to do, I've come up with the solution of a Declaration Trust but he still holds some resentment over it and we cant seem to move forward. Its really hurtful he moves the goalposts in an argument and says these things to me and it makes me feel really vulnerable that I've given up my security to commit to him and our life and he just cant see that.

We have had a chat about it once and he told me he its made him feel differently about us and that things don't feel the same, its clearly an issue for him but I don't know how to resolve it and how we can move forward.

AIBU? Any advice?

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QueenCamilla · 07/08/2024 16:50

@Cinnamonginger

And if we do talk about what's morally right and move on from the legalities, then you're spot on - I also wouldn't want to be in charge of someone's housing status. I wouldn't want to be what stands between them being housed or homeless. I would feel morally repugnant if I had to boot out someone who was paying my mortgage until a day ago. Me being a woman is also at the forefront of my mind - I never want to be in a situation where I have to "evict" a man in a midst of a potentially volatile break up. Shudder.

With someone who can bring a contribution to the plate, shared assets via marriage is the only way I could see a mutually beneficial outcome.
But at this stage in life, I'm happy keeping it simple and keeping it separate.

helloballoon · 07/08/2024 16:49

Before the sale of my house completed we sort of shared money but not officially as I was still paying all the bills on my house. I covered all these and then I paid for shopping which amounted to about £500-600 month, during this time my DP picked up a lot of other costs which is why I can see where he was coming from.

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SarahB88 · 07/08/2024 16:44

Blondiebeachbabe · 07/08/2024 16:29

This is crazy! You've put a man on your deeds?

It’s not crazy. He is the father of my child and fully contributes to all our expenses. I bet you wouldn’t be saying it was crazy if a man put a woman on his deeds in these circumstances.

Rosscameasdoody · 07/08/2024 16:43

I don’t think there’s any way back from this if you consider the implications.

He was fine with you paying a lump sum off his mortgage with no proof, and no entitlement to any equity as a result. It was only when you mentioned that if something happened to him you would have nothing (as would be the case if you split up) and arranged for the declaration of trust that he got angry. If he was genuine, he would be concerned that the situation would disadvantage you.

You’re already contributing to the mortgage but he still wants you to pay rent !!

I think he has control issues, and I’d be very wary of him because if this is the case, other issues will come to light. Personally I’d end the relationship and buy my own place. He’s only interested in himself.

LookItsMeAgain · 07/08/2024 16:42

Move back out is my advice.
Sorry.

PurpleReindeer2 · 07/08/2024 16:42

ActualChips · 07/08/2024 14:27

I was horrified when I read the bit where you chose to sell your asset and throw money at a boyfriends mortgage which you're not on the deeds for? This is diabolical.
Dump the boyfriend and regain financial security. You can date him if you feel the need, but keep everything separate to this man. You have no legal protections, you no longer have your house, and the relationship is not going to last with the fighting and inequality.

This

6gallonsaday · 07/08/2024 16:36

helloballoon · 07/08/2024 15:10

He wants to stop sharing money and have our money separately with me paying half the bills and a rent

He wants to be your landlord not your partner.

Move out fast and don't look back.

6gallonsaday · 07/08/2024 16:34

BloodyAdultDC · 07/08/2024 14:22

Move out. He doesn't want to make this commitment to you.

This.

And he's a CF. Why the hell would you pay his mortgage without any paperwork? He's trying to take you for a ride, stick to your guns.

betterangels · 07/08/2024 16:32

JazbayGrapes · 07/08/2024 14:58

He has a bridge to sell you...

I think he already did.

I do pay the mortgage and have been doing since February

SauviGone · 07/08/2024 16:32

Blondiebeachbabe · 07/08/2024 16:29

This is crazy! You've put a man on your deeds?

Hope she ring fenced her deposit and the years of mortgage she’d already paid before adding him! 🙈

Cinnamonginger · 07/08/2024 16:32

QueenCamilla · 07/08/2024 16:25

But that is very different because he has an asset of his own! He's also not at risk of homelessness.

Exactly. Like in my case, DH owned his outright which I live in and there was no DoT. None of us is at any risk of homelessness as although I have mortgages on mine, one of it can be paid off outright by selling any of them. It is why we were and are comfortable.

I was anyway clear, I wouldn't touch anyone without their house unless we would straight away buy a house together or they buy their first. Exactly so I didn't live with a homeless person no matter the many other investments (seem popular) they had as they talked the property market down as a hobby. And owning a home requires sacrifice and hard work, so was uninterested in someone else just coming to reap teh benefits.

AcrossthePond55 · 07/08/2024 16:32

Personally I would NEVER join finances with anyone I wasn't married to. And possibly not even then, although I could never see myself marrying anyone where that would be a concern of mine. If it was, I wouldn't be marrying them in the first place. And frankly, unless we had/were planning on DC, I wouldn't get married at all. My financial independence is too important to me to risk.

But I don't think there's anything wrong with a partner charging the other partner a monthly amount to go towards the upkeep/maintenance costs of a property and calling it 'rent' plus splitting the bills. As far as charging an additional amount as a share of the actual mortgage, no I wouldn't agree to that. I'd want to put that money into a fund for my own future since I would have no 'housing security' living in a property that I have no ownership interest in.

QueenCamilla · 07/08/2024 16:31

QueenCamilla · 07/08/2024 15:48

Maybe this could help, like it did in the primary school:

OP has apples 🍎🍎🍎🍎
Boyfriend has pears 🍐🍐🍐🍐
Together they eat oranges 🍊🍊🍊🍊

OP sells her apples and buys pears for the boyfriend and some oranges for the both of them. Now:

OP has 🖕
Boyfriend has 🍐🍐🍐🍐🍐🍐
Together they have 🍊🍊🍊🍊🍊🍊

Boyfriend kicks OP out or OP leaves an intolerable relationship. Now:

OP has 🖕+🍊🍊🍊
Boyfriend has 🍊🍊🍊+🍐🍐🍐🍐🍐🍐
Together they have 🖕

Dunno what's "fair" but those are the maths 😆

I'm quoting myself and I'm also outa' here. I can't tell if the basics are really that complex or quite a few posters are being deliberately obtuse.

I admire teachers because it would be a total nightmare job for me.

DONT DO IT OP! It will be a very expensive and painful mistake.

Blondiebeachbabe · 07/08/2024 16:29

SarahB88 · 07/08/2024 15:02

Stop giving him money towards the mortgage if you aren’t getting anything back from it.

When my partner moved in with me we agreed he’d contribute to half of the monthly mortgage payment as he wasn’t able to get a lump sum together (he used to live abroad for a long time and was renting for a couple of years before we met) to buy his way in to the mortgage and I wasn’t due to remortgage for a little while. Come remortgage time I’ve added him on as he has been paying his dues since moving in and now it’s our mortgage on our property as we contribute equally. We’ve not sorted our joint account yet so he continues to send me his half of all the bills every month as they come out of my account. If that’s not what your partner is wanting to do then I’d be concerned and look to secure my own property and stop paying him as others have said. You’ve been reasonable and practicable trying to arrange things and he’s not interested.

This is crazy! You've put a man on your deeds?

Campcritters · 07/08/2024 16:29

I never said the OP shouldn’t have her own investments & assets.

Campcritters · 07/08/2024 16:27

She did until Feb

Campcritters · 07/08/2024 16:26

The OP can have an asset of her own though.

QueenCamilla · 07/08/2024 16:25

Campcritters · 07/08/2024 16:20

My Aunt owns her house outright & her partner pays “rent” not market & 50% bills. He doesn’t feel hard done by, he rents his house out & gets to live cheaply as he says in an amazing house in a great location (Wimbledon village).

But that is very different because he has an asset of his own! He's also not at risk of homelessness.

Campcritters · 07/08/2024 16:25

@QueenCamilla what legal & financial complications have I missed?

QueenCamilla · 07/08/2024 16:23

@JoyousPinkPeer

Currently, what is HIS is HIS and what is HERS is HERS.

The proposal is to make what is currently hers, also fully his.

The starting point is very different to where he wants it to end. Hence need for legalities.

Campcritters · 07/08/2024 16:20

My Aunt owns her house outright & her partner pays “rent” not market & 50% bills. He doesn’t feel hard done by, he rents his house out & gets to live cheaply as he says in an amazing house in a great location (Wimbledon village).

countrysidelife2024 · 07/08/2024 16:19

although i do think seperate finances is the best thing unless kids/ join house/marriage etc is involved

countrysidelife2024 · 07/08/2024 16:18

sorry but i wouldn't be contributing to someone elses mortgage. Either i split the bills and live rent free on the basis that i have no rights to the property OR i own my own property.

I need to be independent as I'm not losing everything when / if the relationship ends no way so if i was you i would go and buy your own property

Newgirls · 07/08/2024 16:17

Omg this gives me palpitations! Do not give him your money for a property that isn’t in your name.

ideally he needs to sell and you buy together or you get a joint mortgage on this house showing your different shares in it.

see a mortgage broker or solicitor together (if you stay)

QueenCamilla · 07/08/2024 16:17

Campcritters · 07/08/2024 16:11

@QueenCamilla no one said you have to agree with me & I would advise my daughter the same.

Giving ill-informed financial advice to own children is not exactly wise, particularly when the pitfalls are plentifully well discussed on this thread.

These are not decisions based on moral stance, there are legal and financial implications and consequences.

But fine, each to their own.

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