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Husband said I was too mentally unstable to give birth without an epidural

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csectiondepression · 07/08/2024 11:18

As the title says really, husband said I was too mentally unstable to give birth without epidural. Unfortunately I'm immune to local aneasethia and the hospital had no alternative pain meds (I ended up at an alternate hospital that didn't even have epidurals anyway).

When I did induction - second day I was on the drip for several hours while I had him just sitting there watching me and in the end I just gave up and had a c-section anyway.

I kept thinking he was just sitting there watching me fail and I had no other support of any kind (no friends or family near).

We're months down the line now and I'm just full of bitterness. I regret having the c-section so much as I could have coped the pain with just a little support.

Am I being unreasonable to feel this way nearly 3 months on? I wonder why he married me and got me pregnant with such an opinion.

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csectiondepression · 20/08/2024 15:30

Kurokurosuke · 20/08/2024 11:09

Hey. Sorry if you have misunderstood my last post. I have sent you a message x

I read, thank you and I'm sorry x

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Kurokurosuke · 20/08/2024 11:09

csectiondepression · 20/08/2024 10:19

So no contact?

good luck and feel free to get in touch x

I get in touch l:

I am currently having (another) breakdown about the amount of homework that needs me to monitor during the holidays and moaning to all who will listen.

It's an example of a false network. If you can't provide, then don't pretend you can like you did.

Hey. Sorry if you have misunderstood my last post. I have sent you a message x

csectiondepression · 20/08/2024 10:19

Kurokurosuke · 20/08/2024 08:21

Ahh no worries. Glad you could make sense of all those typos. I am currently having (another) breakdown about the amount of homework that needs me to monitor during the holidays and moaning to all who will listen. Having a groups of people who get it is what keeps me sane, so definitely build that network x

So no contact?

good luck and feel free to get in touch x

I get in touch l:

I am currently having (another) breakdown about the amount of homework that needs me to monitor during the holidays and moaning to all who will listen.

It's an example of a false network. If you can't provide, then don't pretend you can like you did.

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Kurokurosuke · 20/08/2024 08:21

Ahh no worries. Glad you could make sense of all those typos. I am currently having (another) breakdown about the amount of homework that needs me to monitor during the holidays and moaning to all who will listen. Having a groups of people who get it is what keeps me sane, so definitely build that network x

csectiondepression · 20/08/2024 05:37

Kurokurosuke · 19/08/2024 10:49

Hey! So glad you got through the Burt and are now out the other side. Even though it would like a pretty awful experience. I have thought about you often after your other posts.

I hope you have the chance now to build up a support network as it will be very important when raising a child here. I want to offer you once again the chance to contact me if you need help/advice/an ear asi worry about your isolation and your husbands inflexibility.

I am raising 3 daughters here and know that without my mamatomos from a range of backgrounds and experiences it would be a whole lot tougher xxx

good luck and feel free to get in touch x

Yeah I'll build that support network as you say - just difficult right now. I'd like to take you up on that offer and contact you now and then, it's good to get a bit of extra advice 😊.

Having a good dwy today as my daughter has been crawling all over the place 🤣

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Kurokurosuke · 19/08/2024 10:49

Hey! So glad you got through the Burt and are now out the other side. Even though it would like a pretty awful experience. I have thought about you often after your other posts.

I hope you have the chance now to build up a support network as it will be very important when raising a child here. I want to offer you once again the chance to contact me if you need help/advice/an ear asi worry about your isolation and your husbands inflexibility.

I am raising 3 daughters here and know that without my mamatomos from a range of backgrounds and experiences it would be a whole lot tougher xxx

good luck and feel free to get in touch x

Purplecrush · 19/08/2024 08:33

Completely barbaric. I had no idea.
You poor woman.

csectiondepression · 19/08/2024 03:35

@merrymelodies

Thank you 😔. I'm in Japan so wasn't allowed to deny him access.

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csectiondepression · 19/08/2024 03:34

@thursdaymurderclub

How are you helping her through it? Is she okay now? ❤️

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csectiondepression · 19/08/2024 03:31

@SummerSnowstorm I live in rural Japan, so no. There is ZERO painkillers. None of this 'gas and air' I hear on mumsnet. Or anything. Induction is just 'ganbaru '

I wripped the drip out after several hours and the only other option was c-section.

That I didn't have an option of pain killers, or a midwife to help me with breathing (contractions every 2 to 3 minutes) makes me bitter.

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csectiondepression · 19/08/2024 03:16

I'm okay to try for a second child, but I don't ever want to be locked up again - they caught me running out of the hospital and dragged me back - not a mental hospital - but a birthing hospital.

Also 2 hours drive away. So I can only do:

  1. Locked up like a prisioner for 5 to 6 days
  1. Free birth and a minimum of a 4% fatality rate

I've chosen 2

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csectiondepression · 19/08/2024 02:51

@Sunshineafterthehail
@Duckswaddle
@Olika
@pikkumyy77

I want to say thank you because my husband didn't realize that his words and behavior were affecting my mental health, and I used this thread to show him that while I wasn't stable during pregnancy (my bulimia returned when morning sickness kicked in) - that negative treatment makes the situation worse, not better.

He argued with his dad a lot growing up (mother abandoned them - his dad raised 3 kids alone while working full time), then work and now me. Because I'm his first serious partner he didn't realize that he's an aggressive person, and just this weekend when he started to argue he realized what he was dong and stopped it. Rest of the day was great! So finally some improvement.

@TipsyJoker @CountryMumof4 My husband took 3 months of paternity leave and has been an ideal father. If I ever divorce and leave Japan she'll stay here with him and I'll return to the UK, teach and send money back, but truth is we've only managed the last 3 months through partnership. He does the last feed so I can sleep, I do the morning one. Our little girl sits between us and doesn't know where to shine her smile next. He's changed more poopy nappies than me, but I do her baths. I just don't know how to be a single mum, and him a single dad.

As a dad, he's incredible. Brushes her hair, cuts her nails. As a husband, yeah. That's the snag. We sleep on the floor in Japan, put babies, everything on the floor. A few days after a c-section and I was bending somewhere between 20 to 50 times a day. It felt like my insides were going to fall out from pain, and I'll never forgive him for going to sleep and ignoring that. He cooked nothing - because he didn't need food. I'd lost 1.6 litres of blood, had anemia so severely I lost a week of memory (including meeting my daughter day after she was born), and we want a second but, you all understand why I've said no.

He looked up vbac for me but that doesn't solve anything because:

  1. rarely allowed in Japan
  2. A first time vaginal birth is very different from a second time
  3. I've lost all sensation in my stomach, so a vbac doesn't cure that
  4. I'll likely need induction a second time

Anyone ask about returning to the UK, NHS is VERY expensive for ex-pats so it's not an option

I (maybe unfairly) blame him for my c-section, as I believe if he'd supported me I wouldn't have given up and had a c-section.

As said, I'm immune to LA which the doctors didn't believe until I wiggled all over the table unable to cut me open. At which point they

CALLED MY HUSBAND FOR PERMISSION TO GIVE ME GA TO CUT ME OPEN

He gave HIS permission, and then they did. I asked him, what if you said no?

"You'd have screamed alot"

What a fucking. fucked up country. No one tell me I'm catastrophizing on mumsnet again, giving birth here was worse than I predicted!

Daughter is a little princess though, and time is a healer. We're 3 months on now so mainly I want to say thank you to everyone for your support.

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csectiondepression · 12/08/2024 10:04

I'm going to do a full reply in a few days, right now I'm processing everything.
Thank you guys for your support.

Often things get missed or confused on mumsnet, I've watched some serious derailing on here, so please bare with me (I'm sure our posts don't help as it's 1 sided)

@FictionalCharacter yes, Japan is like this.

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Purplecrush · 10/08/2024 13:46

This sounds absolutely horrific.
Where is this?

Get the hell away from the vile pig you married.
This is hugely abusive.

God help you.

AngelusBell · 10/08/2024 13:31

GreenIvyy · 07/08/2024 12:11

The red flags are flapping in the wind. If he wasn’t like this pre baby, watch out as this might be the beginning of emotional abuse.
🚩

I agree - my ex-husband yelled at me when our DD was a couple of months old, “You couldn’t even give birth to her properly” and it escalated until I got away from him when she was almost 3.

merrymelodies · 09/08/2024 08:00

I'm so sorry for this terrible experience you had to endure, OP. FWIW, my ex sat and read a book on the birthing chair while I sweated it out totally unsupported. You have accomplished a wonderful thing! Congratulations on the birth of your baby.Flowers I eventually managed to leave the father and we are much happier for it.

merrymelodies · 09/08/2024 07:51

kαλοκαλοκαιρι · 07/08/2024 11:26

The one thing I want to challenge and correct - very gently - about your post is your use of the world ‘fail’.

Nothing you did even remotely represented a failure. You carried, nurtured, and safely brought into the world a beautiful baby. Your prick of a husband literally sat there. I also think your mental health might take a dramatic upswing without him, but that’s an outside observation and not something you have to push yourself to think about with a newborn.

I hope you’re able to get some support remotelt even if your loved ones aren’t physically near. Please write here whenever you want or need to. Take care of yourself and enjoy your little one ❤️

Such a lovely post!

HelloCheekyCat · 09/08/2024 07:45

monopolykimmage · 07/08/2024 23:12

No idea, but a fairly recent poster based in Japan was worried about her imminent birth experience...

I remember that thread.
I also remember her DH being problematic for some.reason

Cartwheelcakes · 09/08/2024 07:39

AnnaMagnani · 07/08/2024 11:22

If you did induction without an epidural then honestly you are hard as nails.

100%! I had an epidural inserted before even a drop of that induction hormone lol.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 08/08/2024 23:40

Please research emotional abuse and narcissist abuse. My ex also turned nasty and accused me of being too anxious and neurotic while I was pregnant. He left me just before our now toddler was born which was a big trauma but in hindsight a freeing blessing.
I also feel like if id have a decent partner supporting me I could have done a v birth but I went for the c section too based on his opinion.

In terms of your birth you need to come to terms with it - you did the best you could in the situation you were in and you can't go back in time. You have a healthy baby and who knows what might have gone wrong with you or baby if you had done a v birth.

You deserve kindness care and support from a partner.

CountryMumof4 · 07/08/2024 23:58

I haven't read all the replies, so apologies if this is repeated. You haven't in any way failed. I've had natural births and sections and they're all hard. Certainly more of a recovery time with the latter though. He sounds ignorant and very unsympathetic. How has he been with you and your baby since then?

HuggingAnIcePack887 · 07/08/2024 23:54

Oh wow what country is that??? Talk about being set up to fail!

Why are you so upset about a c section? I'm having one and I don't understand the negativity. Yes, bigger risks and longer recovery than a straightforward vaginal birth, but you almost sound ashamed?!

XChrome · 07/08/2024 23:53

Men who mansplain labour and birth and get all judgy about it should be flogged.
YANBU. He's a twunt.

XChrome · 07/08/2024 23:51

AnnaMagnani · 07/08/2024 14:18

I did Obstetrics years and years ago and the male Obstetrician would insist if you had induction, you had an epidural as otherwise it was too painful.

Years of Mumsnetting I can see a few women get lucky and are OK without but basically induction contractions are usually awful and he had a point.

Truth. I had to be induced twice and the contractions were straight from hell. There was no time for an epidural in either case. At least it shortened the labour though.

savethatkitty · 07/08/2024 23:22

Is he a qualified professional? Who the hell does he think he is?

What do YOU think regarding your mental health OP? I'm so sorry you had a nasty, unsupportive, selfish dick with you.

Please re-evaluate this relationship, it does not sound like he is a good guy. Actually, he sounds vile.

On a side note, I hope you are recovering well.

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