Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

I guess the rioters have booked time off work?

216 replies

SunQueen24 · 07/08/2024 10:44

Just strikes me that they’re all available during the working week and yet they somehow think they’re the backbone of society.

If I had to chose who I wanted to eradicate from society it would be exactly these cretins. Fit and healthy enough to riot, fight and terrorise police officers who all have families to get back to but not fit enough to be occupied with any economic activity during the day.

OP posts:
housethatbuiltme · 07/08/2024 13:01

3CustardCreams · 07/08/2024 12:22

This.

Nope I'm from that background, spent 3 years homeless in my teens due to care system failures and lack of disability help. I'm not like this and neither are any of the fellow street kids I lived with during that time of my life either.

Stop excusing it like that, non of us are racist and out there rioting. We also don't see people struggling along side us as the enemy. The shit hole unfit for purpose hostels we where dumped into by the uncaring system, we where all different races/background and going through the same experiance. It bonded us together, many of our 'family' we build from our experience are immigrants.

The violent twats who chose to truant school to play 'gangster' and get off on stealing and smash things up are NOT the same as us who where failed by the system and stuck together HELPING each other.

Edingril · 07/08/2024 13:00

hotpotlover · 07/08/2024 12:58

It's scary, considering that she most likely was also childminding non-white kids

I would ask where their parents are but I think we can guess

TizerorFizz · 07/08/2024 12:59

@Expatfamily Not taught in schools is what everyone says when people don’t understand something. As for only Shakespeare! What planet are you on? Everyone has a change to go to school. You cannot assert anything of what you say should cause riots. Each one would be dealt with - certainly abuse if it’s reported. Most of this is parental failure. Would you like dc removed from families? Riots ensue with this action too and it has been through the courts.

Most people come here for a better life and most achieve it. Some people born here and others don’t but the state cannot put everything right. Attending school is important. No school is that bad here. Seeing a way out matters. I didn’t have most of what you list growing up - except my teeth. People can rise above their deprived status. It is importing not to keep blaming others. That way riots ensue.

AhBiscuits · 07/08/2024 12:59

I'll admit that I'm enjoying watching these thugs being fast tracked to prison. Brilliant.

HarrytheHobbit · 07/08/2024 12:59

It seems that many of the rioters are school age scrotes

hotpotlover · 07/08/2024 12:58

Lifeomars · 07/08/2024 12:43

I think that a fair few of them will end up out of work as the court cases pile up and social media puts names to faces. Did anyone see the headlines about that woman who worked as a childminder but has now been arrested for posting the most hateful tweet about wanting to set fire to hotels housing asylum seekers. She will be struggling to find work when she loses her registration

It's scary, considering that she most likely was also childminding non-white kids

quantumbutterfly · 07/08/2024 12:55

samarrange · 07/08/2024 11:47

In some woke politically correct linguistically-sensitive contexts, "cretin", along with "moron", "imbecile", and "idiot", is considered to be a ableist slur. All of these words were originally used as technical terms to classify various levels of mental disability, and then adopted as terms of abuse. Cretinism was a name for disabilities caused by hyperthyroidism. ("Idiot" in its original Greek meaning just described a person who didn't take part in political life and was not a slur at all.)

I don't worry about it too much and I'm happy to call Donald Trump a moron, but you might get pushback in some situations. 🙏

Edited

hypothyroidism actually

Thepeopleversuswork · 07/08/2024 12:54

@Expatfamily

The problem with this narrative about this desperate underclass of people which is trodden underfoot by the government and metropolitan elites bla bla bla is that it’s radically at odds with the mounting evidence that many of these people have enough money for cocaine and beer every weekend.

I said this up thread: you can’t both be desperate downtrodden underclass and respectable hardworking working class folk. You can’t both get the hump about being accused of being on benefits and also try to play the sympathy card for living on poverty.

So many people trying to retrofit a narrative to justify their behaviour, involving some bullshit combination of stereotypes about “the working class”.

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 07/08/2024 12:54

@Expatfamily and now they're being used by the likes of Farage and "Tommy Robinson".

Choochoo21 · 07/08/2024 12:52

Gogogo12345 · 07/08/2024 12:32

This. Don't know the obsession with " working day" being 9-5. I certainly don't work those hours and neither do most people I know

You’re right that not everyone works 9-5 buts it’s safe to say that the majority of these men do not work or haven’t been working the past few days.

Not only do these riots last for hours but the majority of men taking part are drinking alcohol and turn up drunk. They are out until early hours of the morning and then either go home beaten themselves or with bashed up knuckles, torn clothing etc or they are arrested and taken to a police cell. They are also on camera spouting abuse and very openly attacking police and ambulance staff.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with people who don’t work or who are on benefits but everyone I’ve seen that has been interviewed has said that they are rioting because the immigrants are taking their jobs - which just isn’t true.

If they want to protest about something legit then I would support them (as long as it’s a protest and not a riot).
But firstly they blamed an immigrant for killing 3 girls, then when they found out he was welsh and Christian are now blaming lack of jobs.

These men have absolutely no good point or message of change.
They cannot tell you why they are rioting.
They are racists, which proudly show off swastika tattoos and attack innocent people.

These men do not work because they can’t get a job.
They don’t work because they think they are superior and the world owes them a favour.

ErrolTheDragon · 07/08/2024 12:51

AntoinetteCurtain · 07/08/2024 11:03

Bravo for the use of the word cretin!!!

I assume that was meant sarcastically?

I'm guessing @SunQueen24 doesn't realise it's an old derogatory term for people suffering from hypothyroidism- many don't as fortunately it's mostly detected and treated from birth nowadays so its not a common condition. Once someone knows this they will realise it's completely inappropriate to use, particularly in relation to these rioters.

DowngradedToATropicalStorm · 07/08/2024 12:50

IItisymoi · 07/08/2024 11:47

Well there are already over 400 with a criminal record that will haunt them for the rest of their lives IF they try to get work or go on holiday outside the UK, and there will be plenty more as a LOT of effort will be put into finding out who was present at any of these 'incidents'.

You think they don't already have a yellow sheet as long as your arm?

Edingril · 07/08/2024 12:50

Wonder if they did IQ/other intelligence tests how many would get high scores?

oakleaffy · 07/08/2024 12:48

samarrange · 07/08/2024 11:47

In some woke politically correct linguistically-sensitive contexts, "cretin", along with "moron", "imbecile", and "idiot", is considered to be a ableist slur. All of these words were originally used as technical terms to classify various levels of mental disability, and then adopted as terms of abuse. Cretinism was a name for disabilities caused by hyperthyroidism. ("Idiot" in its original Greek meaning just described a person who didn't take part in political life and was not a slur at all.)

I don't worry about it too much and I'm happy to call Donald Trump a moron, but you might get pushback in some situations. 🙏

Edited

I too was surprised at the ''Bravo for the use of the word 'Cretin'- it's hardly an intelligent slur, and to say ''Bravo'' for that is rather a pompous overreaction.

housethatbuiltme · 07/08/2024 12:46

Time of work? But all the immigrant stole their jobs.

If that awful 'terrorist' Dr. Meera Baheri hadn't come over here with her masters degree then obviously Gavin with his 2x D grade GCSE (in woodwork and PE) and only misdemonor criminal record would be your Oncologist instead don't you know?

*disclaimer name of Dr. made up

Lifeomars · 07/08/2024 12:45

MojoMoon · 07/08/2024 11:42

Cocaine is expensive and clearly quite a lot of the older football hooligan firm types are taking a lot of it, judging by the pictures.

So they probably are working - legitimately or not quite legitimately - as you can't afford that on benefits.

Being able to afford that much coke also suggests they aren't hard done by, just about managing, cost of living suffering types either

Cocaine grandads, heading for a heart attack, drugged up, drunk, overweight and raging about "forrins".

Mumandcarer80 · 07/08/2024 12:43

But the immigrants are taking all our jobs😂😂😂 oh the irony.

Lifeomars · 07/08/2024 12:43

I think that a fair few of them will end up out of work as the court cases pile up and social media puts names to faces. Did anyone see the headlines about that woman who worked as a childminder but has now been arrested for posting the most hateful tweet about wanting to set fire to hotels housing asylum seekers. She will be struggling to find work when she loses her registration

CombatLingerie · 07/08/2024 12:41

Excellent post@Expatfamily many years ago in my teaching role I used to liaise with the Youth Offenders team. Sorry I don’t know what that role would be called nowadays. I recognise exactly the people and scenarios you describe. It’s depressing that not a thing has changed in all these years.

Blondiebeachbabe · 07/08/2024 12:38

You're broad brushing a whole set of people, with absolutely nothing to back up your claims. This is EXACTLY what Starmer did, when he labelled everyone far right. Do you live in an Ivory tower?

Melonjuice · 07/08/2024 12:38

Haven’t the DWP stopped PIP payments to some i doubt they all work

Lifeomars · 07/08/2024 12:37

LlynTegid · 07/08/2024 10:48

Gatherings have been in the evenings. Many people work and finish at 4 or 5.

"gatherings"? well that's a new word for rampaging through the streets torching buildings, burning cars, smashing windows, lotting and terrorising people.

Kebarbra · 07/08/2024 12:37

ChefsKisser · 07/08/2024 12:32

The Government should mandate anyone involved loses any benefits they claim and employers should sack them if employed. See if they still want to riot if they’re living off fresh air.

Should we do this for all criminals? Do you think people being unable to secure jobs and having no money rolling in would be good for society? There's an excellent post further upthread from someone explaining why this group of disaffected young men end up like this (not excusing their behaviour either, but it's very insightful); perhaps the real cure is addressing those underlying issues? Wild idea I know.

RoseAndRose · 07/08/2024 12:35

ChefsKisser · 07/08/2024 12:32

The Government should mandate anyone involved loses any benefits they claim and employers should sack them if employed. See if they still want to riot if they’re living off fresh air.

Yes, and more so.

Because they’ll need to loot to eat and will have nothing left to lose. If your only hope of a roof over your head is prison, you may as well go down big time.

I really don’t think the aim should be to drive even more people into the underclass

Gogogo12345 · 07/08/2024 12:32

Beezknees · 07/08/2024 10:53

Don't get me wrong, I can't stand the rioting but not everyone works 9-5 Monday to Friday.

This. Don't know the obsession with " working day" being 9-5. I certainly don't work those hours and neither do most people I know