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Does this sound 'off'?

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Sockmate123 · 06/08/2024 23:51

Posting here as more traffic.

I have a few friends that are parents of my kids friends. There's 5 or 6 I am pretty friendly with meeting for the odd coffee etc there are 2 I am quite friendly with and would chat to regularly, meet up every so often, Alison and Sophie.

I heard today that Alison's Dad died 2 weeks ago. She told her DD to keep it a secret! (No idea why!) But she told my DD and told her to keep it to herself which she did until this morning!!

I text Sophie asking had she heard this and she matter of factly said she had. I asked why didn't she tell me and she said she forgot all about it. Alison was very close to her Dad as she lost her Mum many years ago so it's not like it was an estranged parent or something.

Does anyone else think this all sounds strange? Background is Sophie has lied to me/bent the truth about a couple of things in the past and maybe that's clouding my judgement on this...

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PrettyParrot · 07/08/2024 08:49

I think there are 2 things going on here.

  1. It does sound like Sophie deliberately didn't tell you about Alison's bereavement, for whatever reason. Time will tell there.

  2. Alison told her own child not to spread the news. In my experience of these things, people can be reticent because the more people you tell (or who know), the more real and established as fact it becomes, and that can be devastating. My mother did something similar when my sibling died.

I think you sound like you care about Alison and are trying to be a good friend OP.

Sockmate123 · 07/08/2024 08:47

DancingPhantomsOnTheTerrace · 07/08/2024 08:35

She told her child not to tell her friends (as in other kids).

How old is the child? I find it very odd to tell your child they can't tell anyone their grandad died.

(I know that isn't your main point, sorry)

10!!! I find it very odd too especially when the death was published online/newspaper

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Sockmate123 · 07/08/2024 08:44

GaspingGekko · 07/08/2024 08:37

A few people have suggested reasons why Sophie may have done this (other than she's out to get you). Others have shared times when they have chosen not to pass on their own or other people's private business.

Rather than listening to these other perspectives and trying to understand them, you seem to be replying each time to say that it's not how you would do it.

Maybe Sophie is trying to get one up on you in this friendship. Or maybe you are simply applying your ideas of how someone should act onto your friend.
I assume you've posted to AIBU for other perspectives, so maybe try to take them on board.

Have you read below? I literally just said it's great to have other perspectives!! Maybe it posted before you typed this.

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TheLastTimeEver · 07/08/2024 08:41

This is MN twisted logic at its finest.

IRL it is of course VERY strange to deliberately hide the fact that your parent has died from a relatively frequently seen mum friend. Ffs. I can get how you might forget to inform people outside your close circle - but actively asking your child to lie by ommision to another child is nutso. Jeez

Didimum · 07/08/2024 08:40

I’m not sure we can be absolutely certain that Alison also didn’t ask Sophie to keep it quiet. Unless you know that for definite I don’t think you can be annoyed.

I know I wouldn’t want to be passing on that news to others – I wouldn’t feel it was my place it would feel a bit like ‘gossiping’ unless the person who had suffered the bereavement explicitly told me to let others know. Perhaps Sophie feels like that? It’s odd she says she just ‘forgot’ though. If she’d said she felt uncomfortable passing it on, that might have been more understandable.

GaspingGekko · 07/08/2024 08:37

A few people have suggested reasons why Sophie may have done this (other than she's out to get you). Others have shared times when they have chosen not to pass on their own or other people's private business.

Rather than listening to these other perspectives and trying to understand them, you seem to be replying each time to say that it's not how you would do it.

Maybe Sophie is trying to get one up on you in this friendship. Or maybe you are simply applying your ideas of how someone should act onto your friend.
I assume you've posted to AIBU for other perspectives, so maybe try to take them on board.

DancingPhantomsOnTheTerrace · 07/08/2024 08:35

She told her child not to tell her friends (as in other kids).

How old is the child? I find it very odd to tell your child they can't tell anyone their grandad died.

(I know that isn't your main point, sorry)

EmpressaurusDeiGatti · 07/08/2024 08:22

When my mum died last year, there were people I told & people I didn’t tell, for a range of reasons. It wasn’t necessarily rational but nobody’s rational at that point. It wasn’t even just down to how much I liked someone.

Terriblegizzard · 07/08/2024 08:20

I have a very good group of long-standing friends. When a close relative died recently, I didn’t tell them. I didn’t want (or need) all the condolences and sympathies, or them feeling they have to help in some way. I just wanted our usual meet-up of chatting, laughing and nonsense.

Edingril · 07/08/2024 08:15

I sort of got you at first but the more you post the more you are making it about you

You are writing like you are back at school, just stop and treat them as you did beford

Sockmate123 · 07/08/2024 08:07

meganorks · 07/08/2024 07:23

YABU. Sophie shouldn't be telling you that news. Alison should if she wants to (and it sounds like she doesn't)
For what it's worth, I have a group of mum friends who I didn't tell when my mum died. I'm not even sure why. There never seemed like a good time. I don't think I felt about it as you are expected too and I just didn't really want to be discussing it with people. I did tell one friend as I needed her help looking after the kids while I went to the funeral. I didn't expect her to tell everyone else.
If I was Sophie, I probably wouldn't tell you. I don't pass on other people's news if I consider it personal. I recently had a mum friend (quite close) tell me another mum had cancer. She asked me not to say to my kids and it struck me then that actually, I wouldn't tell anyone. She mentioned a few people she had told. I just wouldn't tell people something that private.

Through my work I am privy to very sensitive information. I have to and always do maintain the highest level of confidentiality. Some people who i come across through work are also neighbours, friends, acquaintances etc I have never spoken out of turn.

My opinion on this is her Dad has passed. This is different to someone quietly undergoing treatment for an illness. It's not something you can hide. I live in a small town and word does get around. Sophie has contacted me 3 times since the death around the upcoming event all 3 of us are attending around logistical arrangements, who will drive etc and mentioned Alison..I just don't know why she didn't say at any point, oh just to let you know in case you haven't heard etc

Regarding the child I don't know what that's about tbh although she is a very loud, outspoken child so maybe they didn't want her telling random people.

Thanks for your reply. It's great to get other perspectives. As another poster said, it's probably difficult to convey this properly over text. I got a feeling Sophie took some kind of strange pleasure in knowing while I didn't...

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B1anche · 07/08/2024 08:05

I really wouldn't take it too personally. When friends have suffered a bereavement, I rarely pass the news on to other friends unless specifically asked to. Like someone else said, I don't feel that it's my news to tell. I have occasionally asked the bereaved friend if they would like me to let the others know; sometimes they do, sometimes they don't.

I wouldn't dwell on it but I understand that you must feel left out.

Sockmate123 · 07/08/2024 07:56

Mlb123 · 07/08/2024 01:25

The thing with asking advice online or even in person after the event Is that its hard to convey to others certain things such as the way things are said and things that make a difference such as the expressions or body language used. On face value, looking at this dispassionately the majority of people will focus on it not being Sophies news to tell and how Alison must have wanted to deal with her grief privately etc and that you shouldn't take it personally.

I am not looking at it dispassionately because I believe that you are picking up on things and that combined with previous negative experiences concerning Sophie and being disingenuous are leaving you feeling that things are indeed off, but because it's such a sensitive subject you're questioning yourself and of course its not something that you can really approach anyone about.

Sorry for waffling on. My point is that I do think your judgement is likely correct and I suspect Sophie is probably enjoying any chance to slyly make a point of her knowing about the bereavement and thst she went to the funeral, but I would suspect that she wouldn't have been included either, but possibly found out some other way such as from her child or from someone who passed on the news somehow.

I wouldn't presume that Alison confided in her unless of course you hear that from Alison. I would not let Sophie get under your skin at all and now that it's out in the open then you can approach Alison and say you've heard and say you're there if she needs to talk or anything, but that you understand if she's not ready to talk and then you'll likely find out the true events and it's probably nothing like Sophie has presented it. It is awful feeling left out etc but I would suspect all is not as it seems xxxx

Thank you for such a detailed reply and great advice! You articulated this really well and I intend to react exactly how you have suggested. Thanks so much for typing all this out x

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meganorks · 07/08/2024 07:23

YABU. Sophie shouldn't be telling you that news. Alison should if she wants to (and it sounds like she doesn't)
For what it's worth, I have a group of mum friends who I didn't tell when my mum died. I'm not even sure why. There never seemed like a good time. I don't think I felt about it as you are expected too and I just didn't really want to be discussing it with people. I did tell one friend as I needed her help looking after the kids while I went to the funeral. I didn't expect her to tell everyone else.
If I was Sophie, I probably wouldn't tell you. I don't pass on other people's news if I consider it personal. I recently had a mum friend (quite close) tell me another mum had cancer. She asked me not to say to my kids and it struck me then that actually, I wouldn't tell anyone. She mentioned a few people she had told. I just wouldn't tell people something that private.

Mlb123 · 07/08/2024 01:25

Sockmate123 · 07/08/2024 00:00

Thanks for reply. Sorry my post might be a little unclear. I have no issue at all with Alison, its Sophie I think should have told me so I could have offered condolences. She went to funeral etc but didn't tell me. They are not closer friends at all, tbh they have had their differences so I feel she deliberately kept this from me for some weird reason!

The thing with asking advice online or even in person after the event Is that its hard to convey to others certain things such as the way things are said and things that make a difference such as the expressions or body language used. On face value, looking at this dispassionately the majority of people will focus on it not being Sophies news to tell and how Alison must have wanted to deal with her grief privately etc and that you shouldn't take it personally.

I am not looking at it dispassionately because I believe that you are picking up on things and that combined with previous negative experiences concerning Sophie and being disingenuous are leaving you feeling that things are indeed off, but because it's such a sensitive subject you're questioning yourself and of course its not something that you can really approach anyone about.

Sorry for waffling on. My point is that I do think your judgement is likely correct and I suspect Sophie is probably enjoying any chance to slyly make a point of her knowing about the bereavement and thst she went to the funeral, but I would suspect that she wouldn't have been included either, but possibly found out some other way such as from her child or from someone who passed on the news somehow.

I wouldn't presume that Alison confided in her unless of course you hear that from Alison. I would not let Sophie get under your skin at all and now that it's out in the open then you can approach Alison and say you've heard and say you're there if she needs to talk or anything, but that you understand if she's not ready to talk and then you'll likely find out the true events and it's probably nothing like Sophie has presented it. It is awful feeling left out etc but I would suspect all is not as it seems xxxx

loropianalover · 07/08/2024 01:24

She told her DD to keep it a secret! (No idea why!) But she told my DD and told her to keep it to herself which she did until this morning!!

Based on this I would assume that Alison also told Sophie to keep it to herself (or to keep it from you in particular…?) and that Sophie simply didn’t want to say ‘she told me not to tell you’ so she said ‘I forgot’.

Lovingsummers · 07/08/2024 01:20

Maybe flowers and/or a card to say you are sorry to hear of the loss of her father, sorry you didn't acknowledge it earlier but you only just heard. Then invite her to do something very normal like a walk or coffee or visit very soon?

Squirre · 07/08/2024 00:55

Oh I think I completely misread your post! So the issue is Sophie not letting you know? So hard to tell without actually knowing the people involved. She could have thought it wasn't her place or she could be being snakey. Either way it's probably not worth your emotional energy. If Alison knows you were away when the notice went out and had asked her dd to keep it a secret then I'm sure she'll understand you not having known about what happened. Maybe see if you can go for a coffee or something just the two of you? You know now so can be there for her now.

Bluejayshello · 07/08/2024 00:48

My cousin passed away recently. I didn’t tell a soul. It went to inquest and appeared in the newspaper. It all felt a bit much tbh. (Inquest happened surprisingly fast!)

Still, only one of my 5 best friends know! Not intentionally - just didn’t want to discuss it tbh!

But then I appreciate I’m a bit weird 🫶🏻 I’m a closed book because once I cry - I don’t stop for days.

Sockmate123 · 07/08/2024 00:43

5475878237NC · 07/08/2024 00:36

Pretty obvious to me that Sophie wants you to appear uncaring. Alison would have expected Sophie to tell you and probably thinks you know.

She has past form of this which i won't go into as its too outing. Now it's just making me super wary of her 🤔

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5475878237NC · 07/08/2024 00:36

Pretty obvious to me that Sophie wants you to appear uncaring. Alison would have expected Sophie to tell you and probably thinks you know.

TheM55 · 07/08/2024 00:36

Grief and "private matters" are completely up to those experiencing them. Some people let you in, some don't. Please never judge, and it is not about you or your standing as a friend, sometimes it is about what you can cope with at that time. I am sociable and outgoing, and have 4 or 5 "lifetime" friends that I would trust with my life, but having had bereavement recently, I told no-one. I knew they would rush to help me. I did not need help. I did not even need the gently and carefully worded help "so as to not overstep" - offered in the kindest and most selfless way, laying down their own requirements to help me with mine. I did not need that. I needed time to process it on my own. Without help.

5475878237NC · 07/08/2024 00:35

HotCrossBunplease · 07/08/2024 00:03

Alison didn’t want your condolences. It’s not about you. My parents have both died. Condolences are all very polite and stuff but they won’t bring them back and basically mean sod all.

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Absolutely feel the opposite. Condolences and memories of the person gone rather than platitudes like it happens to us all eventually or you'll get through it we have to keep going etc can make such a difference.

Sockmate123 · 07/08/2024 00:35

Mostlyoblivious · 07/08/2024 00:28

Do you think Sophie is trying to hamper your friendship with Alison?

Yes! That's the nail on the head. You've said what I have been trying to verbalise. So that Alison will think I didn't care type thing...

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PiggieWig · 07/08/2024 00:31

Grief takes many forms. It may be that your friend is struggling to process the circumstances. I think the benefit of the doubt is due here. Just try and be there if and when she needs you.