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To be fed up with the riots being called “UK riots”?

217 replies

Bouliegirl · 06/08/2024 19:31

When.. they are the vast majority in England.

I’ve heard of one in NI: and none in Scotland or Wales.

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LlynTegid · 06/08/2024 20:26

I agree with the OP. Especially as the rioters in England probably largely see themselves as English first. The organisation associated with Stephen Yaxley-Lennon is the English Defence League.

WickieRoy · 06/08/2024 20:25

I'm the first to complain when people use "UK" to mean "England", it happens all the time on here. This isn't the time to make an issue of it though, especially when two of the four constituent countries of the UK have in fact had riots.

(My phone really wants to write Tories instead of riots. A different if related problem!)

YogaForDummies · 06/08/2024 20:22

Also they're surely only called UK riots in international reporting, here they're just called the riots? Why do you even care? I expect maybe if you get your news from twitter you must be bothered.

1offnamechange · 06/08/2024 20:22

Blackbirdinfinity · 06/08/2024 19:45

The riots are concentrated in areas with high levels of ethnic minorities. Scotland is 95% white. It’s not hard to work out why there are fewer rioters in Scotland. It doesn’t make scotland ‘nicer’ than the rest of the UK.

Nobody has suggested that areas without riots are "nicer"
(or, from an even stupider poster, that people in not rioting areas feel "left out" 🙄)

Just that the first step to understanding something is to name it correctly. As you say yourself, there are probably valid reasons why they are happening in some areas and not others which it would very likely be useful for a social, political or even practical (i.e. police preventive planning) perspective to understand.

As a pp said when there are riots in northern ireland they are never referred to as UK riots. Riots in Paris aren't referred to as European riots. If you search for the 2011 riots they are referred to as '2011 English riots' so fair enough to query why in this case it's different.

ToothPickk · 06/08/2024 20:19

Bigger things going on in the world than anyone caring that the riots are called UK riots. Honestly.

Bouliegirl · 06/08/2024 20:16

OlympicsFanGirl · 06/08/2024 20:11

Do you really think a 'we are better than our neighbours' thread is the way forward during a period of people being attacked for being of different ethnicities?

Really tone deaf.

We’re really not better than our neighbours. But at this moment: we don’t have riots in Scotland.

it gets a bit tiresome that often the media focus on England (particularly on MN)

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ssd · 06/08/2024 20:16

Scotland and London both voted remain. Just saying.

MassiveSaladEater · 06/08/2024 20:14

Blackbirdinfinity · 06/08/2024 19:45

The riots are concentrated in areas with high levels of ethnic minorities. Scotland is 95% white. It’s not hard to work out why there are fewer rioters in Scotland. It doesn’t make scotland ‘nicer’ than the rest of the UK.

It's not true that they have been concentrated in areas with high levels of ethnic minorities. There have been none here in London apart from a group who travelled to Downing Street. There have been none in London neighbourhoods. Yet another reason to love London, especially SE London where I live. Very ethnically diverse, and it works. I read disparaging comments about 'Sadiq's London' as if it's a hell hole here. It's not. Multiculturalism works here.

OlympicsFanGirl · 06/08/2024 20:11

Do you really think a 'we are better than our neighbours' thread is the way forward during a period of people being attacked for being of different ethnicities?

Really tone deaf.

Bouliegirl · 06/08/2024 20:10

winniethepooped · 06/08/2024 20:05

"One in NI" 🙄 I guarantee you there has been many more than one. illinformed.

to be fair:
the focus on the news has mainly been the ones in England

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Bouliegirl · 06/08/2024 20:09

LadyChilli · 06/08/2024 20:06

Yes it caught my attention this morning that the BBC website had a graphic showing the number of arrests on a map of the "UK" with most of Scotland cut off. But all reporting was about the UK riots. We are different culturally in Scotland and certainly in Glasgow sectarian violence is far more likely than racist violence. So it's not to suggest we're without our problems but they aren't the same problems.

Exactly: they don’t say that the Uk has a sectarian problem. It’s Scotland and Ireland that have a sectarian problem

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OlympicsFanGirl · 06/08/2024 20:08

BBC Scotland reporting that there is intelligence of disorder planned in Scotland.

LadyChilli · 06/08/2024 20:06

Yes it caught my attention this morning that the BBC website had a graphic showing the number of arrests on a map of the "UK" with most of Scotland cut off. But all reporting was about the UK riots. We are different culturally in Scotland and certainly in Glasgow sectarian violence is far more likely than racist violence. So it's not to suggest we're without our problems but they aren't the same problems.

winniethepooped · 06/08/2024 20:05

"One in NI" 🙄 I guarantee you there has been many more than one. illinformed.

YogaForDummies · 06/08/2024 20:03

Bouliegirl · 06/08/2024 20:01

It’s not racism. The riots are simply not happening in Scotland and Wales right now

Couldn't be because not only are those areas nowhere near as densely populated, they are much much less culturally diverse? You are part of the UK whether you like it or not..

Izzymoon · 06/08/2024 20:03

YogaForDummies · 06/08/2024 20:00

Scottish person complains about racism with racism, classic.

Not one part about the OP was racist.

missshilling · 06/08/2024 20:02

Bouliegirl · 06/08/2024 20:01

It’s not racism. The riots are simply not happening in Scotland and Wales right now

But they are happening in the UK.

Izzymoon · 06/08/2024 20:02

Well there’s been several days of trouble in NI in various towns, and obviously multiple sites across England so what should they be called other than UK riots?

Scotland and Wales might want to say they aren’t involved, but equally most of NI and England aren’t involved either but “UK” is still appropriate.

Bouliegirl · 06/08/2024 20:01

YogaForDummies · 06/08/2024 20:00

Scottish person complains about racism with racism, classic.

It’s not racism. The riots are simply not happening in Scotland and Wales right now

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Bouliegirl · 06/08/2024 20:01

I hope to fuck they don’t start their shite up here in Scotland.

Scotland as a whole may be mostly white: but some cities (Glasgow, Dundee) have a lot of ethnic minorities

im sitting watching my son taking part in a sport just now where about half the kids playing are from Asian countries (Sri Lanka, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh) and horrified of the thought that these kids and their families would be victimized

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YogaForDummies · 06/08/2024 20:00

Scottish person complains about racism with racism, classic.

DramaLlamaBangBang · 06/08/2024 19:59

Apparently there is ine planned for Rhyl so they are moving to other parts of the UK.

GreyBlackLove · 06/08/2024 19:57

Agreed that UK is accurate without being clunky. I'm worried its only a matter of time before we see this in Scotland, especially with more "protests" planned.

Missmarymack2 · 06/08/2024 19:57

im from Ireland and there have been some riots in ROI as well, and some of the thugs from ROI travelled to NI participate in the Belfast riots. I have fears that these riots are going to spread unfortunately.

Dearg · 06/08/2024 19:55

OlympicsFanGirl · 06/08/2024 19:52

Swinney.

I liked your first version.

Op, just because we’ve not seen riots in Scotland at this point, does not mean we won’t.