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To be fed up with the riots being called “UK riots”?

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Bouliegirl · 06/08/2024 19:31

When.. they are the vast majority in England.

I’ve heard of one in NI: and none in Scotland or Wales.

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Abigail47 · 06/08/2024 21:03

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 06/08/2024 21:00

As recent court proceedings have reiterated, the notion that the UK is a 'voluntary' union that constituent members can leave of their own accord is complete fiction.

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Wales and Scotland both have the right to hold independence referendums.

Scotland had an independence referendum.

They voted to stay in the UK.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 06/08/2024 21:00

Abigail47 · 06/08/2024 20:53

Why don't Wales leave the UK?

Why don't Wales ever even have a vote to have an independence referendum?

They could leave the UK if they want.

They never do anything about independence.

So they agree to be part of the UK

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As recent court proceedings have reiterated, the notion that the UK is a 'voluntary' union that constituent members can leave of their own accord is complete fiction.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 06/08/2024 20:59

easylikeasundaymorn · 06/08/2024 20:46

um...when was this 'continually?'
Scotland have had ONE independence vote. Wales have never had one so not sure what on earth you're on about.

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Two.

YogaForDummies · 06/08/2024 20:59

Bouliegirl · 06/08/2024 20:35

There are densely populated cities within Scotland, with a fairly diverse ethnic make up.

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I have lived in 2 places in Scotland and the diversity largely extends to ginger or not ginger. Scotland is in no way as diverse as England, nor does it home anywhere near the number of immigrants.

DancingPhantomsOnTheTerrace · 06/08/2024 20:57

If you search for the 2011 riots they are referred to as '2011 English riots' so fair enough to query why in this case it's different.

Because those were just in England, and not also in NI.

Abigail47 · 06/08/2024 20:57

Cosycover · 06/08/2024 20:54

It is quite annoying actually. There won't be any riots in Scotland.

How do you know. The far right is everywhere.

And they egg each other on.

tinytemper66 · 06/08/2024 20:55

There have been reports of racist comments/verbal abuse in Cardiff but no rioting. Fingers crossed it stays that way.

Cosycover · 06/08/2024 20:54

It is quite annoying actually. There won't be any riots in Scotland.

PollyPeachum · 06/08/2024 20:53

Is it making a distinction between stone throwing and bruises and the state that Bangladesh is in with about 30 deaths?

Abigail47 · 06/08/2024 20:53

easylikeasundaymorn · 06/08/2024 20:46

um...when was this 'continually?'
Scotland have had ONE independence vote. Wales have never had one so not sure what on earth you're on about.

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Why don't Wales leave the UK?

Why don't Wales ever even have a vote to have an independence referendum?

They could leave the UK if they want.

They never do anything about independence.

So they agree to be part of the UK

WickieRoy · 06/08/2024 20:52

Timeforicecream · 06/08/2024 20:37

Both sides riot often which you'll
know if you’re in NI, not just in July. The riots were in Derry over March/April/May. On Saturday many communities were rioting together which was extremely unusual to see, in fact I think it was a first…. And obviously hopefully the last.

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Christ. I mean, both sides riot in July. I wasn't making a point about one community over the other.

Btw, it was Dublin racists up with the tricolour on Saturday, not nationalist racists afaik. Apparently the nationalist racists are angry that the Dublin racists chose the union jack racists to buddy up with. It might be the most NI thing that's ever happened.

OlympicsFanGirl · 06/08/2024 20:51

@Bouliegirl

If this isn't an anti English thread then what is your actual point?

easylikeasundaymorn · 06/08/2024 20:46

Abigail47 · 06/08/2024 20:39

Scotland and Wales have continually agreed to be part of the UK.

So you get the good parts of the UK.

And you get the bad parts of the UK.

People know that the riots are specifically in England anyway. No one has mentioned wales/ scotland

um...when was this 'continually?'
Scotland have had ONE independence vote. Wales have never had one so not sure what on earth you're on about.

JaninaDuszejko · 06/08/2024 20:46

Blackbirdinfinity · 06/08/2024 19:45

The riots are concentrated in areas with high levels of ethnic minorities. Scotland is 95% white. It’s not hard to work out why there are fewer rioters in Scotland. It doesn’t make scotland ‘nicer’ than the rest of the UK.

I'm in the NE. We are the whitest area of England (93 % white) and there have been riots in Sunderland, Middlesbrough and Darlington.

Blackbirdinfinity · 06/08/2024 20:45

Bouliegirl · 06/08/2024 20:35

There are densely populated cities within Scotland, with a fairly diverse ethnic make up.

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England, 81% white, Scotland, 93% white. Not really comparable.

Thevelvelletes · 06/08/2024 20:41

If it were to kick off in Scotland Dundee would be my guess
Christ some inhabitants couldn't do Halloween like normal people.

Abigail47 · 06/08/2024 20:39

Scotland and Wales have continually agreed to be part of the UK.

So you get the good parts of the UK.

And you get the bad parts of the UK.

People know that the riots are specifically in England anyway. No one has mentioned wales/ scotland

Izzymoon · 06/08/2024 20:39

WickieRoy · 06/08/2024 20:32

In fairness, they didn't get their usual July riot here, have to get it out of the system before summer is over.

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Agree. Rioting in NI is extremely common place throughout July and August year on year, this is just a slight change up of reason.

Newsenmum · 06/08/2024 20:38

Well they might 🙄 I don’t think you’re immune. Belfast isn’t England. Uk is fine. Most English cities are fine btw.

Timeforicecream · 06/08/2024 20:37

WickieRoy · 06/08/2024 20:32

In fairness, they didn't get their usual July riot here, have to get it out of the system before summer is over.

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Both sides riot often which you'll
know if you’re in NI, not just in July. The riots were in Derry over March/April/May. On Saturday many communities were rioting together which was extremely unusual to see, in fact I think it was a first…. And obviously hopefully the last.

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Bouliegirl · 06/08/2024 20:35

YogaForDummies · 06/08/2024 20:03

Couldn't be because not only are those areas nowhere near as densely populated, they are much much less culturally diverse? You are part of the UK whether you like it or not..

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There are densely populated cities within Scotland, with a fairly diverse ethnic make up.

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ssd · 06/08/2024 20:34

So if it doesn't matter why not call the EDL the UKDL??

It reminds me of the scene in Outnumbered, with Andy Murray. The young girl Karen is questioning him about his job and asks but are you Scottish or British? He says I'm British when i win and Scottish when i lose. Anyone Scottish would nod at that.

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Bouliegirl · 06/08/2024 20:32

YogaForDummies · 06/08/2024 20:22

Also they're surely only called UK riots in international reporting, here they're just called the riots? Why do you even care? I expect maybe if you get your news from twitter you must be bothered.

I don’t get my news from Twitter. rather odd thing to say.

If Al-Jazeera call them the UK riots, then yeah, I understand that.

But within the UK, the Guardian are referring to them as UK riots.

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WickieRoy · 06/08/2024 20:32

OlympicsFanGirl · 06/08/2024 20:29

Northern Ireland is even 'whiter' or less ethnically diverse than Scotland

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In fairness, they didn't get their usual July riot here, have to get it out of the system before summer is over.

OlympicsFanGirl · 06/08/2024 20:29

Blackbirdinfinity · 06/08/2024 19:45

The riots are concentrated in areas with high levels of ethnic minorities. Scotland is 95% white. It’s not hard to work out why there are fewer rioters in Scotland. It doesn’t make scotland ‘nicer’ than the rest of the UK.

Northern Ireland is even 'whiter' or less ethnically diverse than Scotland