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To be fed up with the riots being called “UK riots”?

217 replies

Bouliegirl · 06/08/2024 19:31

When.. they are the vast majority in England.

I’ve heard of one in NI: and none in Scotland or Wales.

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ToothPickk · 07/08/2024 00:04

Izzymoon · 07/08/2024 00:02

I personally don’t believe they did, I think you’re painting an incredibly narrow view and it’s pretty bloody hilarious for you to call other posters obtuse.

I don’t think for a second any of these riots would have gone ahead if it were not for the deliberate spread of false information suggesting a Muslim refugee attached young White children.
The riots would not have happened without this rumour and wouldn’t have happened merely in reaction to the attack.
There was no talk of protests or demonstrations other than in relation to Muslim buildings.

The misinformation is not in anyway irrelevant, it was specific, targeted information in order to feed these sorts of feelings. Without it this wouldn’t be happening.

Edited

Do you believe the riots would be happening if those 3 girls were tucked up in bed now? Yes or no?

Strangerthanfictions · 07/08/2024 00:03

JaninaDuszejko · 06/08/2024 20:46

I'm in the NE. We are the whitest area of England (93 % white) and there have been riots in Sunderland, Middlesbrough and Darlington.

Well said great point

Izzymoon · 07/08/2024 00:02

ToothPickk · 06/08/2024 23:56

The perpetrator of what? Oh yes, the 3 murdered girls. Misinformation or not, the riots started because of the death of 3 girls. Anyone saying otherwise is being purposely obtuse.

I personally don’t believe they did, I think you’re painting an incredibly narrow view and it’s pretty bloody hilarious for you to call other posters obtuse.

I don’t think for a second any of these riots would have gone ahead if it were not for the deliberate spread of false information suggesting a Muslim refugee attached young White children.
The riots would not have happened without this rumour and wouldn’t have happened merely in reaction to the attack.
There was no talk of protests or demonstrations other than in relation to Muslim buildings.

The misinformation is not in anyway irrelevant, it was specific, targeted information in order to feed these sorts of feelings. Without it this wouldn’t be happening.

ToothPickk · 07/08/2024 00:02

Treesinmygarden · 06/08/2024 23:58

Technically, they didn't - the riots were instigated because an absolute fucking bastard killed three children, and rumours spread about his nationality, neither of which should ever have happened.

And his nationality was irrelevant, he was just a murdering scumbag. No matter what 'excuse' he produces.

You've literally just said they started because 3 kids were killed. So fucking boring this, time and time again people saying it wasn't that, and then go on to explain it was that. Misinformation is irrelevant, if those 3 kids carried on their class til the end and then went home to their parents THE UK WOULDNT BE RIOTING!!!!! And you know it.

Separate comment, the rioters are fucking idiots.

BlueBellsArePretty · 07/08/2024 00:01

Treesinmygarden · 06/08/2024 23:56

Makes no difference, still the UK. And NI has had many, many years of tolerating riots, bombs and the rest. I lived through that so don't preach at me.

Why should you be above reproach just because you've lived in NI? Your tone to the previous poster was patronising and hyperbolic.

Abigail47 · 07/08/2024 00:00

Formerpupil · 06/08/2024 23:50

You should reflect on your earlier posts having now been educated by @XDownwiththissortofthingX before you act outraged at being called stupid.

Reflect . Lol.

Yes I'm going to sit here with a cup of tea and 'reflect ' on my earlier posts.

That's a good one.

Calling a poster stupid is not allowed on here, as you well know.

Strangerthanfictions · 07/08/2024 00:00

JaggyJumper · 06/08/2024 19:46

Agreed if it was only happening in wales and Scotland it wouldn’t be called uk riots

100% true

Treesinmygarden · 06/08/2024 23:58

ToothPickk · 06/08/2024 23:53

Riots starting, and justification for riots is 2 totally different things. At no point have I mentioned justification. There is no justification. The riots started because of the deaths of 3 children, you know they did.

Technically, they didn't - the riots were instigated because an absolute fucking bastard killed three children, and rumours spread about his nationality, neither of which should ever have happened.

And his nationality was irrelevant, he was just a murdering scumbag. No matter what 'excuse' he produces.

Treesinmygarden · 06/08/2024 23:56

BlueBellsArePretty · 06/08/2024 23:53

I'm sure if these riots were only occurring in Scotland you would not be happy with them being referred to as UK riots. The poster you were replying to was only pointing this out, she was not referring to her own nationality 👍

Makes no difference, still the UK. And NI has had many, many years of tolerating riots, bombs and the rest. I lived through that so don't preach at me.

ToothPickk · 06/08/2024 23:56

Izzymoon · 06/08/2024 23:48

It didn’t really though, it happened because people thought the perpetrator was a Muslim who was “fresh off a boat”. It wasn’t really a reaction to what happened when it was due to fake information spread around with the goal to whip up hatred. Why was the start of the rioting an attack on a mosque if it was truly in relation to those 3 children?
Its simply an excuse to let out full blown racism under the thinly veiled guise of genuine concern.

The perpetrator of what? Oh yes, the 3 murdered girls. Misinformation or not, the riots started because of the death of 3 girls. Anyone saying otherwise is being purposely obtuse.

liverburd1 · 06/08/2024 23:54

Completely missing the point if the thread but it's a bit like the UK heatwaves we often see mentioned in the media......really it's a southern England heatwave

ToothPickk · 06/08/2024 23:53

Bouliegirl · 06/08/2024 23:44

No; the perpetrators are using misinformation around the deaths of those young girls as a justification for the riots.

Riots starting, and justification for riots is 2 totally different things. At no point have I mentioned justification. There is no justification. The riots started because of the deaths of 3 children, you know they did.

BlueBellsArePretty · 06/08/2024 23:53

Treesinmygarden · 06/08/2024 22:45

Grow up. People are living in fear and terror, and all the destruction of homes, businesses and communities and all you fucking care about is your Scottishness! Catch yourself on!

I'm sure if these riots were only occurring in Scotland you would not be happy with them being referred to as UK riots. The poster you were replying to was only pointing this out, she was not referring to her own nationality 👍

Formerpupil · 06/08/2024 23:50

Abigail47 · 06/08/2024 23:27

I won't take abuse on here.
I stand up against abusers like you.

You have been reported for calling me stupid.

You should reflect on your earlier posts having now been educated by @XDownwiththissortofthingX before you act outraged at being called stupid.

BlueBellsArePretty · 06/08/2024 23:49

Abigail47 · 06/08/2024 23:30

Scotland was given permission to have a referendum, yes.

Youre ignoring the small point of the following:

Once Scotland were given permission to ha a referendum, Scotland voted to stay in the UK.

If Scotland wanted to leave the UK, they would.

They don't.

And I was able to say that you , without hurling insults at you.

Unlike you, who called me stupid.

Try to say your point, without throwing insults at people.

Actually Scotland has no way of declaring whether they want to remain or leave the UK now. Of those that voted to remain in the referendum in 2014 how many will have changed their stance in the 10 years that have passed? Especially as in that time the UK has managed to fit in Brexit and four general elections.

Treesinmygarden · 06/08/2024 23:49

Atethehalloweenchocs · 06/08/2024 22:55

I am fed up with hearing them called protests. That is a much bigger issue I think.

They're not protests. They are mindless riots, perpetrated by the lowest common denominator in society.

Izzymoon · 06/08/2024 23:48

ToothPickk · 06/08/2024 23:42

So you've just told me that the rioting didn't start because of those 3 girls, and when asked why it started you literally tell me it's because of the 3 girls. I'm not even remotely debating it with you that the riots shouldn't be happening, it's an absolute joke with brain dead dickheads fighting and looting for the sake of it. But it happened because of those 3 girls, like you have just confirmed.

It didn’t really though, it happened because people thought the perpetrator was a Muslim who was “fresh off a boat”. It wasn’t really a reaction to what happened when it was due to fake information spread around with the goal to whip up hatred. Why was the start of the rioting an attack on a mosque if it was truly in relation to those 3 children?
Its simply an excuse to let out full blown racism under the thinly veiled guise of genuine concern.

suburberphobe · 06/08/2024 23:47

they could also be referred to as European riots

No.
They are taking place in England, and Belfast. Therefore UK.

EKnaring · 06/08/2024 23:47

Seeing as it’s a developing situation I don’t see this as too problematic - and I’ve seen plans for a ‘protest’ set up for Glasgow so not just England

Izzymoon · 06/08/2024 23:45

@Abigail47 Your posts are just so patronising and uninformed. It’s depressing.

Bouliegirl · 06/08/2024 23:44

ToothPickk · 06/08/2024 23:42

So you've just told me that the rioting didn't start because of those 3 girls, and when asked why it started you literally tell me it's because of the 3 girls. I'm not even remotely debating it with you that the riots shouldn't be happening, it's an absolute joke with brain dead dickheads fighting and looting for the sake of it. But it happened because of those 3 girls, like you have just confirmed.

No; the perpetrators are using misinformation around the deaths of those young girls as a justification for the riots.

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ToothPickk · 06/08/2024 23:42

Bouliegirl · 06/08/2024 23:38

The rioting has started due to misinformation where incorrect social media posts blamed a Muslim immigrant who was “just off the boat” for the murder of the these little girls. (However, this turned out to be untrue. It was a boy born in Wales from a Christian family)

Regardless of who committed this heinous act: these riots cannot change what happened, nor prevent such an event happening again. There are obviously far right groups (or foreign bots) stirring shit up, and those type of people who just love a good rammie have latched onto the deaths of these girls to try and give their bad behaviour an element of legitimacy

So you've just told me that the rioting didn't start because of those 3 girls, and when asked why it started you literally tell me it's because of the 3 girls. I'm not even remotely debating it with you that the riots shouldn't be happening, it's an absolute joke with brain dead dickheads fighting and looting for the sake of it. But it happened because of those 3 girls, like you have just confirmed.

Bouliegirl · 06/08/2024 23:38

ToothPickk · 06/08/2024 23:32

Why did the rioting start? I mean I know why the rioting started, but obviously you think something different so interested to hear it.

The rioting has started due to misinformation where incorrect social media posts blamed a Muslim immigrant who was “just off the boat” for the murder of the these little girls. (However, this turned out to be untrue. It was a boy born in Wales from a Christian family)

Regardless of who committed this heinous act: these riots cannot change what happened, nor prevent such an event happening again. There are obviously far right groups (or foreign bots) stirring shit up, and those type of people who just love a good rammie have latched onto the deaths of these girls to try and give their bad behaviour an element of legitimacy

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ToothPickk · 06/08/2024 23:32

Bouliegirl · 06/08/2024 23:29

The young children dying is absolutely horrendous. There is no doubt of that.

But the riots are not caused by the death of these children. And the death of these innocents should not be used in any way as justification for these riots

Why did the rioting start? I mean I know why the rioting started, but obviously you think something different so interested to hear it.

Abigail47 · 06/08/2024 23:30

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Scotland was given permission to have a referendum, yes.

Youre ignoring the small point of the following:

Once Scotland were given permission to ha a referendum, Scotland voted to stay in the UK.

If Scotland wanted to leave the UK, they would.

They don't.

And I was able to say that you , without hurling insults at you.

Unlike you, who called me stupid.

Try to say your point, without throwing insults at people.