To be fed up with the riots being called “UK riots”?

Me too!

Yep. And nothing happened because about 5 stupid people turned up (3 were older women who really should know better) and were outnumbered by peaceful protestors..

So, no riots in Wales.

I don't think they're the most educated of individuals.

There have been no riots (so far) in my very large county. I could, therefore, take issue with you referring to the unrest as English riots. But I won't because my county is undeniably part of England just as Scotland is, currently, part of the UK. How far should we take it? Do the news editors have to list every town affected each time they refer to rioting generally, in case they offend somebody? In any case, it sounds like, very soon, your argument will no longer be valid.

Right? It is a bit of a facepalm moment seeing Irish extremists call out nationalists for not joining the loyalists. 🤦🏻‍♀️

I'm English and completely agree!

There had been reports of a riot being planned in Cardiff last Saturday.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/demonstrators-gather-cardiff-after-reports-29671443

And they don't seem to get the irony of buddying up with loyalist murderers (there are a number of convicted murderers involved) who have in the past behaved similarly towards nationalists.

It is a relatively small number up from Ireland. They are the same thugs who have been involved in the protests in Dublin.

Many of the protesters/rioters in Belfast have actually come up from Ireland to cause shit. They're not protesting on behalf of the UK, they're just continuing their own racist shit from last year.

Yes but the riots aren't only in England. They are also happening in NI. Or is this just the usual English attitude of being completely oblivious to NI.

I absolutely am! Are you talking about the one that won the league (?) and partied in George Sq? Climbed statues/sat on top of bus stops/left a trail of destruction behind?

I guarantee you that if there were riots only in Scotland, they would be called "Scottish riots", not UK riots.

100% guaranteed. Just more forced teaming bs. Im with Scotland on this, and I'm English.

I agree these are thugs, they don't care about victims, this country or its people. They just use it as an excuse to loot, spread hatred and violence. There is nothing honourable here! Anyone says this could be excused i disagree, it's not how a civilised country solve any problems, a bunch of barbarians !

It's not as simple as that. There are a load of racist thugs who are looking for an excuse to riot and to terrorise people of different ethnicities. If those horrific murders had not occurred, there would have been another trigger. The rioters don't give a crap about the little girls and their families. They are simply looking for an excuse to vent their spleen.

I didn’t know that actually, as I’ve never seen anyone posting something so far wrong that they’ve openly been called stupid. Turns out both of us have learned something from this thread!

Would the riots have started as simply a response to this attack?

No

Did the false narrative that this was carried out by a Muslim refugee, which was spread by online right wing media outlets and twitter accounts like Tommy Robinson, whip up a frenzy of racism which led to riots on the street?

Yes.

It’s actually incredibly easy to understand. Really really strange to claim “misinformation is IRRELEVANT”. It couldn’t be more relevant to what is happening.

You think the riots would have started last Tuesday in Southport if those girls were tucked up in bed? We are talking about these specific riots. Not next month or next year. Now. The ones that started in Southport.

I literally said it was the start of the riots. Which came first, the murder or the misinformation? I'm not denying anything or debating anything, like I've repeatedly said it wasn't what my comment was about. My comment just said the riots started because of the death of 3 children. Did they? Yes. Not answering you anymore it's so boring, go and pester someone else.

Do you believe the riots would be happening if those 3 girls were tucked up in bed now? Yes or no?

Yes. But the 'reason' given would be some other crime committed by someone who sounds like a person of colour so they can be the focus of anti immigration and racist sentiments, regardless of the truth of them. Might not be today. Or tomorrow. But this was coming for some time. These rioters and agitators dont give a shit about those children and their families - if they did, they would listen to their pleas to stop.

Not a chance of the hoops fans supporting any of this nonsense. Remembering the club was started for Irish immigrants and that's the same reason they still recognise and support others who are oppressed and struggling.

Everyone always says UK or British to deflect off English

Do you believe they would be happening without right wing propaganda which led a number of people to believe that a Muslim refugee fresh in the country carried it out?

The two are linked and it’s actually very bizarre that you’re denying it. Seems like you have some sort of agenda to legitimise it.

Do I believe the people ‘protesting’ or rioting think that they are achieving anything helpful in the wake of 3 children being murdered? No I don’t. I don’t believe when they are bricking buildings, the police or attacking people that they have those girls on their mind in the slightest.

Pointless trying to debate with these people. They'll never admit it, but your point is obviously correct.

Well, quite. Which is why it pisses me off so much to hear this word used in connection with them.