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AIBU - not inviting everyone to the leaving do is a dick move

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Packingcubesqueen · 06/08/2024 15:19

I work in a school. One of the other teachers is leaving. They have invited a group of people to their leaving do and left a few out. The people who have been invited are various ages and job positions (SLT, TAs, Teachers etc) she has basically just excluded a few people she doesn’t like (including me). I have never had any conflict with this person, there is no back story that I know of. I am often excluded from things but never with so many others being included. Usually about half of us aren’t invited. We are also having a lunch on her last day, that is for everyone. She didn’t organise the lunch.
YABU - it’s her leaving do she can invite who she likes
YANBU - it’s a dick move

OP posts:
Stephy1886 · 07/08/2024 06:56

Packingcubesqueen · 06/08/2024 15:31

I don’t know why everyone keeps saying I don’t like her. Until now I thought we got on fine. She and a group of others often go out but this time almost everyone has been asked except me and a few others. I think that’s a bit rude and unnecessary. It’s not like we don’t get on or have had any beef.

Maybe she just keeps your relationship civil & professional

she is the adult in this situation. Why be 2 faced and invite people who you don’t like?

she can invite who she wants

DoAClassicCamel · 07/08/2024 06:33

Why would anyone, adult or child, invite someone that they don’t like to their function. I don’t care if they’re the only one in an office or class. For me not to like someone there’s going to be a reason and I’m at a stage in my life where I don’t want to spend time with people that aren’t my friends. That said leaving meal info is usually circulated, invite only is a bit odd.

friendferment · 06/08/2024 21:13

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MelIy · 06/08/2024 20:39

No it isn’t.

No it isn't, what?!

If you're doing a work do, it's work. If you're inviting 80% of people in the workplace and not others, it is most definitely work.

SouthLondonMum22 · 06/08/2024 20:38

TooManyTabs · 06/08/2024 20:25

SouthLondonMum22 "That's children though. Adults know that not everyone is going to like everyone.

There's also a lunch on her last day which is for everyone."

Which will be lovely to attend knowing that she wouldn't want you there if she had the choice. Nice.

Yes, adults know not everyone will be their biggest fan but they're also capable of being kind and understanding how someone might feel if they were one of a very small number of people being left out.

As with everything, there are people who think something is ok and others who wouldn't be comfortable doing the same. In this case, there will people who think it's fine to exclude just a few people and there are others who think it would be kinder, given the numbers, to include everyone.

OP wouldn’t even know if her so called friend didn’t bring it up.

OlympicsFanGirl · 06/08/2024 20:26

If you don't like her then it's a win. You don't have your go and make fake nice.

TooManyTabs · 06/08/2024 20:25

SouthLondonMum22 "That's children though. Adults know that not everyone is going to like everyone.

There's also a lunch on her last day which is for everyone."

Which will be lovely to attend knowing that she wouldn't want you there if she had the choice. Nice.

Yes, adults know not everyone will be their biggest fan but they're also capable of being kind and understanding how someone might feel if they were one of a very small number of people being left out.

As with everything, there are people who think something is ok and others who wouldn't be comfortable doing the same. In this case, there will people who think it's fine to exclude just a few people and there are others who think it would be kinder, given the numbers, to include everyone.

WhimsicalGubbins76 · 06/08/2024 20:24

MelIy · 06/08/2024 20:00

This is work, not your personal friends. You invite everyone. And assume that those who aren't chatty with you won't come.

No, it’s not, if you read the post properly you’d see that there’s a leaving lunch for ALL staff, then this woman is arranging her own farewell night out on top of that-for which she’s perfectly entitled to only invite her actual work friends and the people she really likes. It’s off work premises and she’s arranging it outside of her work do

StrawberryWasp · 06/08/2024 20:23

In any 'formal' group you invite everyone or it's a small group of friends separate from the large group.

Leaving out a few from a large group is just nasty behaviour.

If it's the reception mums night out you invite everyone or you organise a small group.
If it's a sports club night out you invite everyone or a very select group.
If it's work you invite the whole team.
Or the whole school.
You don't invite everyone and leave out a few people to feel ostracised.

I'd have thought that was obvious courteous behaviour as most people would understand it's cruel to exclude a few from a large group.

Seems lots of people think it's ok.
Which is why it's happening to you OP.

friendferment · 06/08/2024 20:10

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SouthLondonMum22 · 06/08/2024 20:09

MelIy · 06/08/2024 20:00

This is work, not your personal friends. You invite everyone. And assume that those who aren't chatty with you won't come.

No it isn’t.

She’s having lunch with everyone on her last day.

This event is just her friends from work. OP isn’t one of them.

MelIy · 06/08/2024 20:00

WhimsicalGubbins76 · 06/08/2024 16:13

I did the exact same, I went out for a drink with my actual work friends when I moved jobs. It’d be weird for her to invite people she didn’t like or didn’t have much to do with/in common with.
If you throw a party you invite your friends don’t you? You don’t invite every person you’ve ever said more than one word to

This is work, not your personal friends. You invite everyone. And assume that those who aren't chatty with you won't come.

WiddlinDiddlin · 06/08/2024 19:51

It's a crummy way to find out that someone you thought you got on with reasonably well, thinks absolutely fuck all of you.

cansu · 06/08/2024 19:50

This is tricky. I think most people in schools these days tend to do a whole staff email inviting everyone to drinks in a pub. They might also on a different night do some other kind of do which might be a meal or event where it is closer colleagues. I think leaving out just a few is a bit unnecessary. However it really isn't worth getting upset about. You and her are not that close and she is leaving so just forget it.

SouthLondonMum22 · 06/08/2024 19:25

TooManyTabs · 06/08/2024 19:15

I get you OP. Inviting almost everyone and leaving out just a few is a dick move. As the responses show, some people would be happy to leave out and upset people, others would not.

I do get the point some have made about it being her leaving do so she can invite who she likes, but I think once the numbers creep up to most people, it's just plain unkind to leave people out. It's like when parent send in party invitations for 27 out of 30 children.

If it's was say 12 colleagues out of 30, fine. If it's 25 out of 30, it's deliberately unkind.

That's children though. Adults know that not everyone is going to like everyone.

There's also a lunch on her last day which is for everyone.

Ionacat · 06/08/2024 19:19

I’m not sure why you’re getting a hard time on here. I think that’s definitely a dick move. You either go for a small group or invite everyone. A small group and no one bats an eyelid at a small group going out, but when you do what she’s done, it starts to create division and hurt even though she is leaving.

TooManyTabs · 06/08/2024 19:15

I get you OP. Inviting almost everyone and leaving out just a few is a dick move. As the responses show, some people would be happy to leave out and upset people, others would not.

I do get the point some have made about it being her leaving do so she can invite who she likes, but I think once the numbers creep up to most people, it's just plain unkind to leave people out. It's like when parent send in party invitations for 27 out of 30 children.

If it's was say 12 colleagues out of 30, fine. If it's 25 out of 30, it's deliberately unkind.

andfinallyhereweare · 06/08/2024 19:11

That’s quite normal in schools I think, I did that with my department when I left then had a whole school drinks on last day…

StrawberryWasp · 06/08/2024 19:05

AGoingConcern · 06/08/2024 18:01

It’s a conversation. You replied to me, and I replied to you. Not sure what you think is out of line, here.

Personally I think that people tend to overestimate how much others are focused on us and often see malice where there’s really just obliviousness and apathy. It can feel better in the moment because it’s easier to be angry at someone trying to do us wrong than to feel hurt at someone not caring about us much at all. But long term I think that primes us to view the world as actively hostile and treat others accordingly.

But if you’d like to agree to disagree then I’m happy to do that.

Edited

I'm happy to just offer an alternative view on a situation we don't know the truth about.

No need to prove I must be right.
I think it's a plausible/ likely explanation.
It might not be.
It might be.

Packingcubesqueen · 06/08/2024 18:58

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 06/08/2024 18:31

'There are 20 staff and about 15 or more been invited out of the teaching staff.'

was that a very cleverly worded reply ? are you now suggesting you are not invited to this private gathering because you are not teaching staff ?

No there are 20 teaching staff and 15 teaching staff are invited. The receptionist is also invited but the cleaners aren’t (as far as I’m aware).

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Bastide · 06/08/2024 18:33

She may not ‘dislike’ you— it may just be that there are fifteen people she prefers to you. I mean, in the (admittedly unlikely) scenario of someone requiring you to list any set of 20 people in terms of how much you like them, five people will be the bottom five. That may not mean anything other than that she likes fifteen others more. And if all of those 20 people were asked to compile the same list, each list would look different. Liking is subjective.

I honestly don’t see why this is such a body blow. We’re all disliked by someone at some point. It’s not some sweeping condemnation.

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 06/08/2024 18:31

'There are 20 staff and about 15 or more been invited out of the teaching staff.'

was that a very cleverly worded reply ? are you now suggesting you are not invited to this private gathering because you are not teaching staff ?

BetterWithPockets · 06/08/2024 18:28

StrawberryWasp · 06/08/2024 17:27

It's shitty to invite nearly everyone and leave a couple of people out.

Fine if there's a small particular friendhsip group to socialise seperately, but when practically the whole staff are going it should be everyone.

It sounds like something being done to be delibrately hurtful or as a power move to establish in group/ out group dynamic.

It's shitty when people go along with this group ostracisation, but they do because they want to be in the in group.

Sounds to me OP you've been targetted as the 'outcast' whihc provides a useful role to bond the larger group. You don't have to have done anything in particular to get this role, it can just be establsihed through a few influential people making it clear to the others you are not liked and not to be included. The wider group then fall in line.

It's horrible to experience. But try to see it for what it is, not a reflection on you, and concentrate on what you know is real: your actual friends and family.

This!

Am amazed you’re getting grief on here, OP. Yes, it’s her leaving do — but either invite a select few or invite everyone. Don’t invite nearly everyone, leaving only a handful out. That’s just mean.

As for those saying you’re making it all about you, or deciding you’re a bully — I have no idea where that’s come from…

LuckyPeonies · 06/08/2024 18:19

OP, i am sorry you are being excluded and, under the circumstances (no falling out/antagonism) it is indeed unfair. But it is what it is, and you don’t need to be nice now. So in your shoes i would not attend the leaving lunch, nor contribute to gifts/sign a card.

HarrytheHobbit · 06/08/2024 18:17

I can understand if you feel hurt as something similar happened to me once. A weekend away was arranged and was kept secret from me, I only found out afterwards. It was the secrecy that upset me, not the not being involved.