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To think they should have at least offered a refund?

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7thCircleofHell · 06/08/2024 13:34

NC for this

DS (6) is autistic. Non-verbal but sociable, more bothered by sounds and sensations than volume of people. Biggest issue is his lack of risk awareness and tendency to bolt. (All relevant)

New soft play opened in town. Brilliant - he's getting bored with the old one.

Decide to take him along with his baby sister.

Arrive and they want to take payment through a window to the outside of the building. I explained that I can't let go of DS hand as he would run into the main road, but happy to pay inside.

It turns out that within the play apparatus there is an inflatable section. DS could not tolerate the noise and went to hide under a table very near the front door.
The main doors are locked on a buzzer which is good, but there is no "air lock" type measure once inside.
I was terrified he was going to push past someone coming in and get onto the main road.

I was talking to staff and I made the suggestion that they get one installed as it won't just be an issue for SEN kids, but toddlers too.

Decided to leave with DS after just ten minutes, whereby he had a full blown meltdown (biting and scratching me) and took another ten minutes for another parent to take pity on my and take the baby so I could calm DS enough to get out the door (lovely woman, actually helped me all the way to the car while I bodily carried DS).

So I paid a small fortune for just ten minutes play.

AIBU to think the staff could have (not should have) offered a refund under the circumstances?

It's the kind of thing that earns them so much good will and SEN patently rely so much on recommendations from other SEN parents that it would have been to their advantage in terms of word of mouth in our local community.

I suppose I'm just overwhelmed by the whole event - it's the first major meltdown DS has had since we've had his sister and coping with two of them while it was happening was HARD.

Just needed to vent a little. Thanks

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DDivaStar · 06/08/2024 18:34

The person on the door probably doesn't have the authority to refund.

Would be much more beneficial to email the centre regarding the issues. Maybe suggest they have special sen sessions where noise equipment is turned off.

OnceUponAMay · 06/08/2024 18:26

Sirzy · 06/08/2024 18:02

Plenty of people on here have plenty of experience. People may not agree with you expecting a refund but that doesn’t mean they don’t have experience and don’t know how hard it can be. To be honest I’m not sure why you are being so rude to posters who are simply trying to help you.

@Sirzy I think she probably got frustrated with some responses. Though of course many people did offer reasonable suggestions, I feel sometimes in threads like this, the underlying message is someone who is tired and stressed and needs a sympathetic response and not judgement.
@7thCircleofHell I hear you and I understand as someone in a similar situation. Chalk it up to a bad day, and find some way to take care of yourself. Step away from this thread if you need to.

Sirzy · 06/08/2024 18:02

Plenty of people on here have plenty of experience. People may not agree with you expecting a refund but that doesn’t mean they don’t have experience and don’t know how hard it can be. To be honest I’m not sure why you are being so rude to posters who are simply trying to help you.

7thCircleofHell · 06/08/2024 17:56

I don't think some people understand how ASN works.

A child who has had a fixed idea of what is going to happen - either because they've requested it (eg a trip to the new soft play) or have been prepared for it eg (a doctors appointment) and then has that expectation changed can struggle with it far more than a neurotypical child.

To give you an idea - we have been preparing DS for the next school year since the start of the holidays via a social story - that's six weeks of preparation just to go into a new class (it's a SEN unit and the classes change based on need)

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7thCircleofHell · 06/08/2024 17:40

Because for some SEN children such restraints are a sensory issue and case meltdowns.

And for the avoidance of doubt for all posters no I'm not talking tantrums, I'm talking meltdowns. Severe, and deregulating.

DS slept for three hours this afternoon after today's meltdown.

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Ivehearditbothways · 06/08/2024 17:12

7thCircleofHell · 06/08/2024 16:16

That would help free up a hand if needed and gives you an extra layer of protection from running.

You obviously missed the sarcasm.

And in what world would a wrist strap be appropriate at a soft play?

There is really no need to be rude to people.

Your whole refusal of the idea of outdoor/forest play is that his bolting was an issue. So put him in a harness. How is jolting an issue if you use a harness? So it didn’t sounds as though you use one, which is why that poster suggested it. There is absolutely no need to be so rude in your reply.

WiddlinDiddlin · 06/08/2024 16:27

I think the previous poster meant outside, at the payment window... not inside the soft play place.

I'd write to them and suggest the airlock system to improve safety - it seems a sensible thing to have and all (the 3.. huge sample I know) I've been to with smalls have been set up this way, plenty of NT kids will also bolt out of an open door given the chance!

Ask for a refund if you like - based on the fact you couldn't see if it was suitable til you'd gone in, I don't think its unreasonable to ask but I suspect it is unlikely you'd get it.

7thCircleofHell · 06/08/2024 16:16

That would help free up a hand if needed and gives you an extra layer of protection from running.

You obviously missed the sarcasm.

And in what world would a wrist strap be appropriate at a soft play?

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Cherry8809 · 06/08/2024 16:12

User79853257976 · 06/08/2024 14:17

Do you not understand that some parents have it harder than others? That the OP might not be fast enough? She had her baby with her as well. I get that a refund might not be due in this instance but why do people have to be so nasty on here?

Of course I do, and there was no nastiness meant in my post whatsoever.

My point was that the facility may not have deemed the double doors/air lock necessary (I think they should have this!) as the expectation is that parents should be watching their child to ensure they don’t just walk out through an open door. That has nothing to do with SEN or anything else, just a general expectation that the children are being supervised by an adult.

letsjustdothis · 06/08/2024 16:01

Doesn't sound like a place you'd want to recommend to other SEN parents in any capacity tbh.

Sirzy · 06/08/2024 15:59

7thCircleofHell · 06/08/2024 15:57

Have you tried a special needs harness or wrist strap.

No, it's never occurred to me. Why?

That would help free up a hand if needed and gives you an extra layer of protection from running. I used to have rhe harness on my wrist and then also hold his hand so if he broke free from my grip we had the harness as a backup.

7thCircleofHell · 06/08/2024 15:57

Have you tried a special needs harness or wrist strap.

No, it's never occurred to me. Why?

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TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 06/08/2024 15:46

7thCircleofHell · 06/08/2024 14:38

Have you tried something like a forest school environment? Much calmer usually even if it's being run in a city field.

Yeah, but running was an issue.

Have you tried a special needs harness or wrist strap. Far from ideal but if it allows him to settle and adjust it might be an option. My DD who is ND went through a period of bolting when DD2 turned up. Terrifying as you can't abandon the pram and chase after them. I've never been so petrified.

A couple of days in a harness made the point and she never did it again. I appreciate it is very different with a SEN child though and I don't intend to minimise but sometimes needs must for your peace of mind and his safety.

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 06/08/2024 15:43

By even making this post you did on some level expect a refund

You should have checked the venue for suitability first. Do they not have a website or FB page which lists the equipment and has photos for example?

You now need to go online and review the place so other SEN parents can do their research. So explain the lack of secondary gate, the need to pay outside and what equipment there is. Post it on FB, TripAdvisor, Google, local SEN pages.

TyneTeas · 06/08/2024 15:41

Mine is well over soft play age and I don't recall every going to a proper soft play that did not have a double door/gate system unless just a tiny area in the corner of a cafe, so I would have expected there to be one and am surprised that they aren't fairly standard

Birch101 · 06/08/2024 15:34

So no I wouldn't expect to be offered a refund however I would give a constructive review from a SEN parents point of view online highlighting the concerns this will then a) provide heads up for other families and b) notifies the company of a possible duty of care failure and a way to increase business revenue

SparkyBlue · 06/08/2024 15:24

LoquaciousPineapple · 06/08/2024 14:20

I don't understand your point about SEN network and word of mouth. You went, it was completely unsuitable for your son so caused him to have a violent meltdown and you left after 10 minutes.

What good review or word of mouth do you think they'll be hoping you'll provide to other SEN parents if they offer a refund. Saying "it was unsuitable but they did give me a refund" isn't positive word of mouth that gets them any business, is it?

What suits one child with SEN won't work for another child with SEN they aren't all one big group. When a parent has had a bad experience with their own child but the business steps up to help the parent then then the parent will often go online to praise the business and other parents with children with SEN are more likely to give that place a try. There is a cinema near us that gets highly praised on the local asd Facebook pages. Nothing wrong with the other cinemas but in this one the management and staff go the extra mile and it's appreciated. It's the same even with supermarkets and fast food restaurants.

Happyinarcon · 06/08/2024 15:15

I had to leave a fun park once because my kid was having a meltdown. She found out she was half an inch too short for a ride she wanted to go on. I had hubby with me who carried her back to the car but I went up to the desk and got a refund. The park was a 45min drive away 🙄

7thCircleofHell · 06/08/2024 15:09

Sirzy · 06/08/2024 15:02

Have you looked for any sensory play centres locally? They tend to me much more suitable than soft play and are designed with children (and adults in many cases) with disabilities in mind.

Sadly there's nothing like that locally.

We don't take him to the ball inflatable park/centre place as we know he hates inflatables but had no reason to suspect a soft play would have an inflatable (and tbh it wasn't immediately visible as it was right at the back of the equipment).

And a place doesn't have to be suitable for my DS for me to recommend it to friends with SEN kids - their needs are different from ours.

I could easily say "DS didn't like X but the equipment was really good and your DD would really like the spinny poles".
Not all ASD kids are runners so the gate isn't a consideration for all of us.

It's not even a deal breaker for us if there isn't something that will cause DS to freak out, like the inflatable.

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Sirzy · 06/08/2024 15:02

Have you looked for any sensory play centres locally? They tend to me much more suitable than soft play and are designed with children (and adults in many cases) with disabilities in mind.

7thCircleofHell · 06/08/2024 15:01

most places have stopped their sen sessions over the summer ( at least where I am anyway) so the kids who get maybe 1 awkward hour a month/week

Yup. Precious few dedicated SEN sessions as it is and many are during school hours on weekdays - and then in the holidays even they are taken away because there's money to be made.

Six weeks of deregulation caused by lack of routine and great difficulty mitigating it where he can blow off steam.

We have a wonderful trampoline park that does an early morning session for young kids that's suitably quiet but he'll age out of that at 8.

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baileys6904 · 06/08/2024 15:00

Blimey, I think my responses can be seen as quite harsh, but some of these.... Wow!

The op has a new baby and is clearly trying to find her way in looking after both her children. It's experiences like this that can absolutely make or break her confidence in looking after them both and she's not the only mum of multiple to be in a state kf "omfg how do I do this", let alone with the added complexities a child with additional needs brings.

That being said, I don't think a refund is due. However, the OP has already said she didn't really expect it.

To the OP, please don't let this experience be anything other than learning. You do sound overwhelmed and perhaps if that's the case, see this as an opportunity to explore that possibility more, get advice from some of the boards on here, if you can get more support in real life etc.

funinthesun19 · 06/08/2024 14:52

Cherry8809 · 06/08/2024 14:12

But then surely it’s your job as his parent to ensure he doesn’t run over to the door?

It sounds stressful and I do sympathise, but the place aren’t to blame for his meltdown, and the expectation is on the parents to supervise/watch their children.

Are you telling a parent of a child with asd that they need to supervise their child? Because I’m sure OP knows this already.

It’s just nice and helpful when there is a gate that our children with asd can’t easily escape out of. 👍🏻

Surely that’s just a basic safety measure when you’re operating a venue where there are lots of toddlers and children with sen? It should be a venue that is safe and accessible for all. And if the gate isn’t safe then the venue isn’t accessible for all, is it? So on that basis I think OP should have the refund.

My dd has asd, and is very impulsive and can dash off in an instant especially if she’s having a meltdown. If I’m not quick enough she would be out of a gate like that. The gate should be locked locked locked because that is the venue’s responsibility.

Mamma173738 · 06/08/2024 14:47

I sympathise OP. I have a SEN child with complex needs who gets very overwhelmed with soft play even though he loves it.

I think a lot of soft play isn't that suitable for SEN kids tbh. The equipment is great, but it's often crowded, with lots music, noisy, echo-ey, having to queue to get in even though you've pre-booked. And you have to follow your kids everywhere.

We usually look for ones with SEN sessions which are a bit calmer and the other parents more understanding.

I wouldn't have expected a refund - I've been to so many of these places where DS will refuse to even go in, or just spend 10 mins and want to leave. I would instead ask them, alongside other parents, if they would do a SEN session once a month and give them some advice on what would be helpful for SEN kids.

ShakeUpYourTiredEyes · 06/08/2024 14:45

Sorry your DS couldn't manage today, its sounds poorly set up, asking to pay outside is already a no for me not just for the fact he will bolt but it would be nice to at least step into the building and get a feel because you know your ds best after himself.

They could have been nice and offered you a refund.... probably at the point the other lady had to help you with the baby or before but places like these don't really care its just money isn't it unfortunately

I feel you, and most places have stopped their sen sessions over the summer ( at least where I am anyway) so the kids who get maybe 1 awkward hour a month/week have now had that taken from them whilst they're out of school and routine they can't even go somewhere that's just for them it's hard at the best of times bit especially when there's no quiet times not even specifically sen sessions just quieter time of day. Yes the air lock isn't great and I've seen posters saying you shouldn't have paid if you knew it wasn't the set up you required but sometimes we just have to try dint we.

Hope you're OK and your DS and you managed something else dun and regulating for him.