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To feel uncomfortable with groom's speech at his wedding?

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Dygger · 06/08/2024 13:01

My cousin's son married his girlfriend of 12 years at the weekend and my partner and I were invited. During his speech at the reception the groom made a number of 'jokes' about being forced unwillingly into marriage. They weren't very funny or clearly ironic. There wasn't much tenderness or love emanating from him. The main topic of his speech was how he hadn't wanted to marry but she did and so here he was with his arm twisted behind his back. His friends (he plays football and there were a lot of football friends there) thought it was hilarious. He said something along the lines of 'I know you're all expecting me to tell you how much I love Katie, but we've lived together for 12 years and so neither of us have any illusions about each other.' She seemed a bit subdued. Her speech was very short but she did say she loved him 'despite everything' which got a laugh. It was all rather unsettling and created a strange atmosphere. We left as soon as we politely could.

Has anyone else experienced something like this? Did your own husbands say anything really inappropriate in their wedding speeches? I'm trying to understand why he did it. He's an English teacher, so he's someone who knows words matter.

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honeylulu · 06/08/2024 15:45

Poor bride, how sad and humiliating for her.

I don't think I've ever heard a bad groom's speech - they are usually safe and bland. Have witnessed some shit best men's speeches though these weren't directly insulting to the bride but went on and on about tedious drinking exploits.

I'm sadly in the company of some of the other posters who's dad made a disparaging speech about them. Mine started off OK with a funny story from when I was little and I thought this will be ok. But it quickly morphed into thanking my husband for "taking me on" (I'd not lived with or been supported by my parents for years by this point) followed by things like "good luck to him, that's not an easy task". There was just no need for it. I wasn't expecting him to sing my praises (that would never happen!) but congratulations to you both on this happy day wouldn't have pained him too much!

My cousin got married less than a year later and her dad made such a lovely speech, pitched just right and not too long. It made me feel really emotional. I was happy for her but it also made me think I must be such a horrible person that even my own dad couldn't find a single nice thing to say about me on my wedding day.

I'm still married 24 years later so my poor husband didn't find taking me on too awful after all.

MoveToParis · 06/08/2024 15:45

My BIL made an appalling best man’s speech at our wedding. I found his printout of it when clearing the house during the divorce, and got upset all over again. I hadn’t realized or had blotted out how rude and horrific it actually was. He insulted me, my family, where I am from. So so grim.

DeathbyDying · 06/08/2024 15:44

The main topic of his speech was how he hadn't wanted to marry but she did and so here he was with his arm twisted behind his back.

As they say, when someone tells you who they are, believe them.

She needs to get out of that but I wouldn't worry, he'll probably do it for her.

What an arsehole.

MattSmithsBowTie · 06/08/2024 15:43

Most people are just not good at making speeches, he probably thought it was funny.

The last wedding I went to the best man clearly thought he was hilarious but he came across as very nervous and most of the ‘jokes’ fell flat. We still have him a good round of applause because it’s hard to stand up in front of a room full of people.

Naunet · 06/08/2024 15:43

EI12 · 06/08/2024 15:23

Of course he will have a Shakespeare sonnet for the right person, he does not see her as worthy of a sonnet. Same goes for people who 'will never marry' - the moment they meet the right person, they will. Or the ones 'let us live for each other, children are a scourge' - as soon as they really fall in love, they will want to have children with that person.

What a stupid post. My partner is the most amazing person I’ve ever met, but I still don’t want to get married or have kids. Making huge sweeping generalisations is really lazy thinking. Some women, and some men for that matter, just don’t want children, I’m sorry you find something simple, so difficult to understand.

Fandabbydaisy · 06/08/2024 15:41

I think speeches say a lot about a person. They can come across quite toxic. It seems he wanted to impress his friends more than his bride. My dad’s speech was short and he was uncomfortable doing it. But I felt he tried to laugh at me rather than with me. I didn’t find it funny. Plus we had a difficult relationship. In hindsight I wouldn’t have bothered with speeches. They seem more for laughs than love.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 06/08/2024 15:40

‘ be grateful to her for keeping him out of the dating pool.‘

Not necessarily, unfortunately.

Micsam89 · 06/08/2024 15:40

EI12 · 06/08/2024 15:23

Of course he will have a Shakespeare sonnet for the right person, he does not see her as worthy of a sonnet. Same goes for people who 'will never marry' - the moment they meet the right person, they will. Or the ones 'let us live for each other, children are a scourge' - as soon as they really fall in love, they will want to have children with that person.

Really? Ive been married for 15 years, still madly in love. We married when we were both 20 and never wanted kids. Are you saying we aren't and never have been really in love?

Curiossir · 06/08/2024 15:38

Could be dry humour. Maybe you didn't get it? In any case, no one really knows what a couple is like when they are by themselves. My job has taken me to many weddings and I have seen all sorts.

Mumsie23 · 06/08/2024 15:37

Oh dear....I don't think that marriage will last long. Trouble is, once all the preparations are under way and everything is organised, it can be difficult to say, 'Sorry, I don't want to go through with this'.

I speak from experience!

mothsandgoths · 06/08/2024 15:35

EI12 · 06/08/2024 14:58

UK wedding speeches are horrible at the best of times. Somehow people think it is OK to be jovially rude - it is not. It was inappropriately glorified in 4 weddings and a funeral. People try to outdo each other in their chirpy rudeness. It is uniquely British, I think. Actually, flippant attitude to public speaking and persiflage seem to be the norm with us, and it is embarrassing. Ah, and the fake praise too, it is uniquely British - like when Prince Charles said 'we are lucky to have her' in his speech at William's wedding, when everyone knew about the stalking, etc.

Stalking! What

Ivehearditbothways · 06/08/2024 15:33

EI12 · 06/08/2024 15:23

Of course he will have a Shakespeare sonnet for the right person, he does not see her as worthy of a sonnet. Same goes for people who 'will never marry' - the moment they meet the right person, they will. Or the ones 'let us live for each other, children are a scourge' - as soon as they really fall in love, they will want to have children with that person.

I’ve never seen someone project quite as much as you do.

Clearly you wanted marriages and kids with someone who didn’t want you, they’ve moved on with someone else and you’re stuck with this anger. Get therapy and move on.

Backtothedungeon · 06/08/2024 15:33

I've been to two weddings where the speeches made me cringe. In one the groom referenced the fact that they had split up before the wedding, but got back together and carried on with the wedding plans. The other one the groom apologised in front of everyone for cheating on the bride. Both are now divorced.

JJathome · 06/08/2024 15:25

EI12 · 06/08/2024 15:23

Of course he will have a Shakespeare sonnet for the right person, he does not see her as worthy of a sonnet. Same goes for people who 'will never marry' - the moment they meet the right person, they will. Or the ones 'let us live for each other, children are a scourge' - as soon as they really fall in love, they will want to have children with that person.

Goodness talk about over thinking and over investing, to move to psycho analyzing this man based on a few lines is so off.

EI12 · 06/08/2024 15:23

Dygger · 06/08/2024 15:12

When you think with all of the knowledge he has from the literary world and that’s the best he could come up with?

Yes, knowing his interest in literature and acting I was expecting a Shakespearian sonnet or a contemporary love poem or something. I think that was why it seemed so unpleasant. There are some people you could just shrug it off and think they didn't know any better, but he does.

Of course he will have a Shakespeare sonnet for the right person, he does not see her as worthy of a sonnet. Same goes for people who 'will never marry' - the moment they meet the right person, they will. Or the ones 'let us live for each other, children are a scourge' - as soon as they really fall in love, they will want to have children with that person.

BlueJellycat · 06/08/2024 15:23

My cousins grooms speach was so grim I had to take one of my kids out as I was cringing so much. All about their sex life and her wiping his arse when he had been ill. I'm sure some people loved it but not for me.

Bils brother also gave a horrific speech at sisters wedding. He turned out to be a right horrifically repulsive perv so no wonder Benny Hill humour appealed to him. Like kids finding poo and bum jokes hilarious. Sign of their intelligence and maturity.

However thank god cousin has got much better since kids. He actually has done amazing speeches since god live him.

Naunet · 06/08/2024 15:21

Findwen · 06/08/2024 14:10

Victims of abuse don't find it easy to just walk away and can often put on a good face when out in public. Particularly so for men who have more or less zero in terms of support and advice when being abused by a female partner and are often ridiculed for it.

Maybe he was just being an arse, but is it worth a chat with him anyway ? He may not open up - but if he knows he has at least one family member that cares it may give an escape route in the future.
Either he does need help or he needs to see that what he did was pretty awful.

Because he made a misogynistic speech, you want to make him a victim?! There is absolutely nothing to imply he is being abused for god sake, if he was, he wouldn’t be embarrassing his wife publicly, for fear of the backlash later.

PeachSnake · 06/08/2024 15:20

Sound like a case of bad nerves.

JJathome · 06/08/2024 15:16

Dygger · 06/08/2024 15:12

When you think with all of the knowledge he has from the literary world and that’s the best he could come up with?

Yes, knowing his interest in literature and acting I was expecting a Shakespearian sonnet or a contemporary love poem or something. I think that was why it seemed so unpleasant. There are some people you could just shrug it off and think they didn't know any better, but he does.

Christ stop over thinking it, he’s an arse who thought he was being funny. Just your average dickhead.

butterpuffed · 06/08/2024 15:14

Booobs · 06/08/2024 14:49

This thread is incredibly identifying…

Take them with a pinch of salt !

Dygger · 06/08/2024 15:12

When you think with all of the knowledge he has from the literary world and that’s the best he could come up with?

Yes, knowing his interest in literature and acting I was expecting a Shakespearian sonnet or a contemporary love poem or something. I think that was why it seemed so unpleasant. There are some people you could just shrug it off and think they didn't know any better, but he does.

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JJathome · 06/08/2024 15:11

Findwen · 06/08/2024 13:43

It sounds like your relation is being forced into marriage against his will, are there cultural or religious factors ? Is there any chance he is being abused ? Perhaps it might be worth speaking to him quietly to see if he needs help.

This can’t be a serious post, surely? He sounds like your common or garden arsehole.

Dygger · 06/08/2024 15:06

EI12 · 06/08/2024 14:48

The awful thing is not what he said, but what she did - she was happy to be his fuck buddy for 12 years without a commitment from him - so why does he have to afford her any respect? Seriously. I am speaking from own bitter experience. I wish I knew then what I know now. And most likely he was telling the truth, and it always hurts. If he wanted her, he would have proposed after 1 month. If you meet that rare person and you are really in love, you don't muck them around for 12 years. It applies to animate and inanimate objects - if you want something in an antique shop, you grab it and buy it because it is unique, you don't put it down for 12 years and expect it to be there if it is really valuable.

I've been with my partner for 23 years and because we met later in life and don't have children we haven't bothered to get married. I don't regard myself as merely a fuck buddy, as you put it. What a horrible transactional view of relationships. We've outlasted many friend's marriages and have reached the stage where we'll probably have to get married to avoid Inheritance Tax — but if it wasn't for that we wouldn't bother.

My guess is that the couple I'm talking about have reached the age where decisions need to be made regarding children (they're 33 + 34) and she has said she wants to be married before getting pregnant. Which probably, according to @Findwen consititutes forced marriage and abuse, but to most of Mumsnet would constitute good sense.

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Piglet89 · 06/08/2024 15:02

@Dygger heading to Edinburgh festival (with my husband and our son) - FWIW, my husband ripped the piss out of me gently in his speech but closed on “Piglet - you make my day, every day”. Bit cheesy, but quite sweet. 9 years married this month.

He sounds like an arrogant arsehole. What play’s he in? Rotten tomatoes should be easy to get hold of in preparation for my attendance.

JudgeBurrito · 06/08/2024 15:02

Dygger · 06/08/2024 14:47

The third was dry and cynical, no lovey stuff, nothing about how beautiful the bride was, very much a "we're here because it's the done thing" kind of speech. They're still together 20+ years later, very happy, absolutely solid couple, basically made for each other.

This wasn't dry and cynical. It was mainly 'ball and chain' stuff: playing up to the very old-fashioned view that getting married spells the end of his life as a free man. That after 12 years together, she'd finally managed to pin him down. It was like something from the 1950s.

There's a huge difference between that and the wry, clever, deliberately understated kind of speech you refer to, where the warmth of feeling shines through. There wasn't much warmth of feeling here.

Mmm there's a bit of projection here. How do you know the speech was "wry, clever, deliberately understated" - PP doesn't describe the speech in any of those terms, and doesn't refer to 'warmth of feeling' either. It seems like you just want everyone to pile on the groom for some reason. No it doesn't sound funny, nor particularly original, but it was 10 minutes of his whole life.

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