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sunglassesonthetable · 06/08/2024 11:20

@LoremIpsumCici You're getting cuter with every reply.

I don't run a Lido but I don't presume an idea I see replicated across many of the same businesses is a poor one. And that without experience, my idea is obviously better. Like you do.

But then you haven't answered the question, so maybe you do run a Lido.

LoremIpsumCici · 06/08/2024 11:19

NoisyDenimShaker · 06/08/2024 11:16

But if the dogs go in after it's closed to the public and then drained and cleaned before the next season, it makes no sense to object! As for health risk to owners, this has been going on for years and everyone still seems to be alive, so...? It raises 250k for the Lido over a handful of weekends. What else could they do that would raise that sort of money so quickly?

Your objections make no sense whatsoever.

I grew up riding around on bikes with no helmet and in cars with no seatbelts and on planes with smoking…and I’m still alive as are most of my generation.

Your ankle high bar for safety is what makes no sense.

Again, bags of money isn’t a good reason to accept any level of risk. That sort of thinking is what has caused most of our economic and environmental crises.

LoremIpsumCici · 06/08/2024 11:16

sunglassesonthetable · 06/08/2024 11:09

You are so trying to turn this into something it isn't. Its blindingly obvious that wasn't what the poster meant.

Write to the male managers. Explain to them what they're doing wrong.

What are you talking about? Turn what into something it isn’t? Which poster meant what?

NoisyDenimShaker · 06/08/2024 11:16

LoremIpsumCici · 06/08/2024 09:21

Don’t be so condescending, I read the entire Dogtember webpage and the swim section of the lido webpage before any of my comments.

I think it is disgusting and a health risk to any dog owners swimming with the dogs. I think the lido could raise money in a way that keeps the pools reserved for humans only- as a pp suggested half price tickets for off season swimming. Perhaps swim lessons for school age kids. Or open to kayaking clubs to do lessons in water safety, rolling, and rescue as well. Or lifeguard training classes. So much can be done in the off season other than catering to dogs who already have an entire beach to use.

It’s arrogant to assume those who think it’s awful “can’t read” or are unaware of the details.

But if the dogs go in after it's closed to the public and then drained and cleaned before the next season, it makes no sense to object! As for health risk to owners, this has been going on for years and everyone still seems to be alive, so...? It raises 250k for the Lido over a handful of weekends. What else could they do that would raise that sort of money so quickly?

Your objections make no sense whatsoever.

LoremIpsumCici · 06/08/2024 11:15

sunglassesonthetable · 06/08/2024 11:07

And?

Do you run a Lido? You haven't answered the question?

Do you run a lido?
What are your qualifications in business?
Have you read the saltdean planning and accounts?
Do you know the operating costs of it?
Do you know the market surveys?
Do you know what fundraising they do?
Do you know what government grants they can apply for?

Answer the questions….

Demanding answers to questions about my person is just another way to not engage in discussion.

sunglassesonthetable · 06/08/2024 11:09

You are so trying to turn this into something it isn't. Its blindingly obvious that wasn't what the poster meant.

Write to the male managers. Explain to them what they're doing wrong.

sunglassesonthetable · 06/08/2024 11:07

LoremIpsumCici · 06/08/2024 11:05

Which part is a “massive reach”? I was told to assume the managers all know better and the directors of Saltdean currently are 100% male:

  • David Bailey, Solicitor
  • Paul Burgess, Town Planner
  • Derek Chester, no occupation
  • Derek Leaver, Company Director
  • Richard Lloyd-Owen, Accountant
  • Gaston Paul Mallia, Designer

And?

Do you run a Lido? You haven't answered the question?

LoremIpsumCici · 06/08/2024 11:05

LilBowWow · 06/08/2024 10:56

Although yours sounds a lot like the don’t worry your pretty little head, business matters are better left to the mostly male managers

🤣 massive reach there. Unusual for the anti dog people to embellish stories or make stuff up to add weight to their otherwise flimsy points.

Which part is a “massive reach”? I was told to assume the managers all know better and the directors of Saltdean currently are 100% male:

  • David Bailey, Solicitor
  • Paul Burgess, Town Planner
  • Derek Chester, no occupation
  • Derek Leaver, Company Director
  • Richard Lloyd-Owen, Accountant
  • Gaston Paul Mallia, Designer
sunglassesonthetable · 06/08/2024 11:01

LoremIpsumCici · 06/08/2024 10:47

We can all assume anything we want to, that’s the beauty of an assumption.

You can assume the managers know what they are doing in terms of not just making money but for risk assessment and mitigation of the real health risks this event has.

I can assume there is unmet demand for lessons in kayaking, swimming, and lifeguarding that could make equivalent money without the added risks.

If I’m cute with my assumptions, then you are cute with yours too.

Although yours sounds a lot like the don’t worry your pretty little head, business matters are better left to the mostly male managers.

This thread! Now " male business managers " crowbarred in. You're ridiculous.

Do you run a Lido? Do you book events?

But anyhow you sound like you know better. But people on here generally do. A

My local Lido runs a dog event too. Sounds like they work.

LilBowWow · 06/08/2024 10:56

Although yours sounds a lot like the don’t worry your pretty little head, business matters are better left to the mostly male managers

🤣 massive reach there. Unusual for the anti dog people to embellish stories or make stuff up to add weight to their otherwise flimsy points.

sunglassesonthetable · 06/08/2024 10:55

Longtimelurkerfinallyposts · 06/08/2024 10:39

why do posters insist on repeating false information on this thread?

the lido is not 'drained' and 'closed' over the winter!
it is open for (human) swimming every weekend from October onwards - after the Dogtember events have happened

Oh stop it. Use your internet if you don't believe it. It gets drained and cleaned after the dog event. Its all there on google.

Hobbes8 · 06/08/2024 10:49

LlynTegid · 06/08/2024 10:48

My understanding was that the Lido did not want the sauna to continue.

That’s a story for another thread! There’s quite enough frothing on this one already.

And as for the White Cliffs…

LlynTegid · 06/08/2024 10:48

Hobbes8 · 06/08/2024 10:43

The winter opening is new - they trialled it last year for very limited hours (weekend mornings only). No news on whether it will return this winter. There was a gap between the dog weekends and the winter opening during which the pool was deep cleaned (I have no idea what this involved but I swam throughout the winter, including on Christmas Day, and there wasn’t a hint of dog fur or poop to be seen).

The sauna has moved on unfortunately. It was a fab addition.

My understanding was that the Lido did not want the sauna to continue.

LoremIpsumCici · 06/08/2024 10:47

SurferRona · 06/08/2024 10:30

@Idontjetwashthefucker and @LoremIpsumCici ….so we can assume the people who run the charity, and charity trustees, will be VERY aware of the challenges in raising enough funds to keep solvent and that these sessions work in raising them money. Most ideas- and they will have tested them all, won’t. @LoremIpsumCici thats very cute that you think your suggestions would work instead (I mean, kayakers wanting to learn eskimo rolls are undoubtedly knocking down the doors of every lido in the country, offering tens of thousands of pounds to boot🙄🤪) but perhaps best left to those who know what they are doing? Good job you won’t need to go to the lido, isn’t it!

We can all assume anything we want to, that’s the beauty of an assumption.

You can assume the managers know what they are doing in terms of not just making money but for risk assessment and mitigation of the real health risks this event has.

I can assume there is unmet demand for lessons in kayaking, swimming, and lifeguarding that could make equivalent money without the added risks.

If I’m cute with my assumptions, then you are cute with yours too.

Although yours sounds a lot like the don’t worry your pretty little head, business matters are better left to the mostly male managers.

Fruitloopi · 06/08/2024 10:45

Are people forgetting that chlorine kills

off organisms and bacteria in the water. It's only occasionally so have time to clean in-between.

My friend works at a dog hydrotherapy pool and much like human pool they test the water twice a day and add chlorine/ chemicals accordingly then every so often shock the pool with a high dose, run back washes to clean the sand filter and manually remove the hair from the filter system trap. Any heavier dirt particles settle on the pool floor overnight so that gets vacumned up first thing daily by robovac.
Dogs are showered before going in the pool and then after to rinse off the chlorine water. Loads of hair comes off some dogs so they scoop that during the day and it will all clump against sump in morning if not gone through filter system.

Very occasionally they do have a code brown because they are dealing with more dogs who may have paralysis or nerve deficits but they encourage owners to make sure they've toileted recently to reduce that risk as it means cancelling the rest of the days clients to shock the pool and let the water filter. They don't allow owners to swim with the dogs there but the hydrotherapists are in the water for hours per day and have let their kids swim in it while closed.

I took the dog for hydrotherapy and I have had a dip in the pool myself. I was surprised it didn't have a strong chlorine smell and no stingy eyes like when took kids swimming commented that they must use more chemicals at the public pool, but friend told me its from the process of chlorine reacting with all the nasty stuff so clearly there was a lot for it to deal with in a pool full of kids 🤢

K0OLA1D · 06/08/2024 10:45

Longtimelurkerfinallyposts · 06/08/2024 10:39

why do posters insist on repeating false information on this thread?

the lido is not 'drained' and 'closed' over the winter!
it is open for (human) swimming every weekend from October onwards - after the Dogtember events have happened

It's closed for 2 weeks, drained and cleaned before humans can use it through the winter. Kids aren't allowed.

Sibilantseamstress · 06/08/2024 10:44

I’m surprised they drain the pool, but as they do- what is there to complain about?

It’s an extra at the end of the season that dogs and owners really enjoy which raises a not insignificant sum. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Hobbes8 · 06/08/2024 10:43

The winter opening is new - they trialled it last year for very limited hours (weekend mornings only). No news on whether it will return this winter. There was a gap between the dog weekends and the winter opening during which the pool was deep cleaned (I have no idea what this involved but I swam throughout the winter, including on Christmas Day, and there wasn’t a hint of dog fur or poop to be seen).

The sauna has moved on unfortunately. It was a fab addition.

SunshineOceanAndOranges · 06/08/2024 10:41

I love animals and would love a dog (don't have one for logistical reasons at the moment), but this is possibly the most unhygienic idea I've ever come across! For those pointing out that humans wee in pools - it sounds disgusting but unless you have a bladder infection, urine is STERILE, a dog's mouth however is absolutely full of harmful bacteria. Swimming alongside their slobber would put me right off... and I'm sure the chlorine can't be good for their skin or their gut health...

Longtimelurkerfinallyposts · 06/08/2024 10:39

why do posters insist on repeating false information on this thread?

the lido is not 'drained' and 'closed' over the winter!
it is open for (human) swimming every weekend from October onwards - after the Dogtember events have happened

sunglassesonthetable · 06/08/2024 10:32

MeMyseIfAndl · 06/08/2024 10:15

I understand it's after the main season, and will be cleaned, but it is still utterly repulsive to me. Gross. Like all dog things.

Luckily, they are not compulsory swim sessions.

ErrolTheDragon · 06/08/2024 10:31

WonderingAboutBabies · 06/08/2024 10:30

Sigh, so much misinformation, and lots of correct posters are getting ignored.

Main points:

  • Humans swim in Lido without dog access almost all year around
  • At end of Summer season, pool is drained
  • Before pool is drained, dogs are allowed in with owners (ticketed events)
  • Pool is closed to general public.
  • Dog events raise thousands for the Lido and various charities.
  • Pool is cleaned and re-filled.
  • Repeat every year.

Win for humans (swim all year round in a clean, dog-free pool)
Win for dogs (swim once a year before pool is drained)
Win for the Lido (raises money to keep Lido open)

Sounds great!

WonderingAboutBabies · 06/08/2024 10:30

Sigh, so much misinformation, and lots of correct posters are getting ignored.

Main points:

  • Humans swim in Lido without dog access almost all year around
  • At end of Summer season, pool is drained
  • Before pool is drained, dogs are allowed in with owners (ticketed events)
  • Pool is closed to general public.
  • Dog events raise thousands for the Lido and various charities.
  • Pool is cleaned and re-filled.
  • Repeat every year.

Win for humans (swim all year round in a clean, dog-free pool)
Win for dogs (swim once a year before pool is drained)
Win for the Lido (raises money to keep Lido open)

SurferRona · 06/08/2024 10:30

Idontjetwashthefucker · 06/08/2024 09:29

So why aren't they doing any of this then?

@Idontjetwashthefucker and @LoremIpsumCici ….so we can assume the people who run the charity, and charity trustees, will be VERY aware of the challenges in raising enough funds to keep solvent and that these sessions work in raising them money. Most ideas- and they will have tested them all, won’t. @LoremIpsumCici thats very cute that you think your suggestions would work instead (I mean, kayakers wanting to learn eskimo rolls are undoubtedly knocking down the doors of every lido in the country, offering tens of thousands of pounds to boot🙄🤪) but perhaps best left to those who know what they are doing? Good job you won’t need to go to the lido, isn’t it!

LilBowWow · 06/08/2024 10:28

MeMyseIfAndl · 06/08/2024 10:15

I understand it's after the main season, and will be cleaned, but it is still utterly repulsive to me. Gross. Like all dog things.

You’ll be ok though won’t you? With just not going?