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Wondering how we can all stand behind & support minorities in this climate.

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Agn · 06/08/2024 06:12

It is horrendous that there is a climate of fear and that all this far right terrorism is taking place.

are there ways for the general public to give support to minorities who are being targetted?

OP posts:
SallyWD · 07/08/2024 12:37

mightymam · 07/08/2024 12:34

Just been shared on our local Facebook group for those of you thinking things aren't as bad as they're being made out:

Absolutely sickening. I trust the police have been informed. I think we need police protecting all mosques for the time being.

mightymam · 07/08/2024 12:34

Just been shared on our local Facebook group for those of you thinking things aren't as bad as they're being made out:

Wondering how we can all stand behind & support minorities in this climate.
queenofdarkness666 · 07/08/2024 11:17

Wishitwasstraightforward · 07/08/2024 07:47

You make a good point. But I'm curious as to why you've made it here, on this post, which is about the current riots targeting POC? Are you suggesting that the concern expressed against POC would be better directed at the Jewish community? Because that's how it comes across to me. The whataboutery on this thread is astounding.

I'm making this point because the OPs post is discussing attacks on minorities and one minority (the Jewish community) has been the victim of attacks and abuse for the last ten months and there has been no concern for their welfare. Also, how do you know that no Jewish people haven't been the victim of attacks (online or otherwise) during these current riots? Do you think visibly Jewish people wouldn't be targets of any of these rioters if they come across them? I'd also like to point out that many Jews are POC (Mizrahi/Sefaradi/Ethiopian descent) and Ashkenazi Jews are not "white". Please educate yourself. I also don't understand the "whataboutery". Surely as the OP's post is calling for the protection of and solidarity with minority groups, therefore that includes the Jewish community (who are one of the smallest minorities in the UK)?

Sunhatweather · 07/08/2024 09:38

midgetastic · 06/08/2024 07:43

The real concern of illegal immagration is a myth though

Levels of illegal immagration are small. Something like 70% of people entering the uk through illegal routes are actual deemed legally entitled to stay.

The majority of immigrants enter legally through approved routes

The vast majority of people of colour are not even immigrants but were born here

Yes we have more people from further afield now than we used to - as legal immigrants - a direct and predicted impact of Brexit ( which sone people voted for on the basis of immigration - the irony ) (and yes there can be culture problems that result - especially in a hostile rather than a welcoming climate - ah the irony again

Yes illegal immigration is bad - but more because of the high number of people dying en route to, the way it feeds criminals , and the very fact that people go to such lengths suggests their lives are much worse than those of the uk

It's not having a huge impact on your life

I have ‘brown skin’ and am from an immigrant background. The lack of cultural integration by many immigrants is of more concern to me than anything else. I couldn’t give a fig about where people are coming from and how, provided they are respectful of the culture and laws of their new home.
As a woman it does, and has had, an impact on my life.

1dayatatime · 07/08/2024 09:19

RoseUnder · 06/08/2024 07:39

I recommend highly checking out the organisation Hope Not Hate. They do brilliant community led work and have had many successes in recent years.

https://hopenothate.org.uk/

HNH also co-organise peaceful solidarity counter-events. I’m hoping to attend one this weekend. They will have other suggestions for ways you can help even from home.

Edited

Hmmm would that be the same Hope not Hate whose Chief Executive Nick Lowles posted fake and inflammatory posts on twitter of acid attacks on women in Middlesbrough that the police denied ever happening.

Spreading fake information such as this simply encourages more violence that he ought to be arrested for, but he won't be because it's not right wing fake inflammatory information.

www.yahoo.com/news/hope-not-hate-boss-apologises-162745371.html

BigAnne · 07/08/2024 09:17

@Paperweight7 I asked the same question, but she's still not replied.

Spacecrispsnack · 07/08/2024 09:05

Has anyone checked in on colleagues from different backgrounds? We have 3 people in our team from different backgrounds (I don’t know how to politely define them so being wishy washy). I’ve been considering dropping them a message to ask how they’re doing and check they’re ok but I don’t know if this would be weird/patronisjng.

Does anyone have any insight or advice?

MushMonster · 07/08/2024 08:57

Lots of arguing on this thread too...
Replying to original question, may it is me, but I would say people were very smiley, friendly and chatty this morning. They left the grumpiness of early mornings behind to make a bit of eye contact and smile on their interactions.

Wishitwasstraightforward · 07/08/2024 08:40

@Timewilltell519 thank you for saying so succinctly and clearly what I was trying to say in a previous (more clumsy) post.

Anonym00se · 07/08/2024 08:36

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 06/08/2024 18:46

I see from where my brother and his family live (moving soon) that there’s not much integration eg with the local muslims who go to mosque there but also jewish and other other faiths and cultures don’t seem to integrate at all. The Ukrainian community one of whom I met by chance did integrate and some other Eastern European cultures do make an effort.

Do you not think that we have a responsibility to integrate with them too? If you were traumatised and had to flee your home to live in a strange place, would you go out and introduce yourself or stick with the other Brits that you met there? To mix, you’d first need to feel safe.

Our immigrant communities in my area are pretty well mixed. Muslim people tend to live in the poor areas among other ethnic minorities and white working class people. Our asylum seekers are encouraged to do voluntary work and do a lot of gardening and litter picking, or volunteer in charity shops. The mosques are very forward thinking and inclusive and encourage all faiths and races to visit and talk to them about any concerns.

We’re very lucky that two local Imams in particular are young and British born, so they’re far more progressive than the older generation. But it’s a two-way street. We need to help them to feel welcome if we expect them to be a part of our communities.

Timewilltell519 · 07/08/2024 08:36

Alltheprettyseahorses · 06/08/2024 08:15

If the thread is to 'stand in solidarity with our neighbours who are feeling unsafe' there are a few people in Birmingham and Plymouth feeling unsafe right now. The idiotic violence going on right now isn't restricted by colour. I genuinely think threads like these are purely for whipping people up into a frenzy of virtue-signalling. Just be nice and polite to people you meet, isn't that a natural way for most people to act?

It’s funny how as soon as people try to protect themselves you are trying to draw equivalence. The vast majority of the violence is from white people in the riots. I’m sorry this comes as a shock to you, but white people can do bad things too you know. You don’t have to jump in a bandwagon because you’ve seen some Sky News footage. Should the Muslims just let people attack their community or should they try to defend themselves? Such a crazy mentality.

Timewilltell519 · 07/08/2024 08:29

Milkyway1213 · 06/08/2024 07:21

I'm disgusted that people like myself are given the label of being 'far right'.

Yes, there's been some horrendous riots by low lives who want nothing more than to cause trouble, and I don't condone their actions for one second. They should be arrested and locked up for their violence. I think 99% of people would think the same.

BUT, they represent a tiny tiny minority of people who are trying to get the Government to acknowledge people's concerns about the illegal immigrants being allowed into the Country. (They just go about it the wrong way)
Most protesters wish to protest in peace, yet, because of the troublemakers, everyone is being labelled as thugs. Why?

Why won't the Government address the real concerns of the people? Why are certain groups allowed to wield knives and machetes in public without intervention by the Police?
It's all wrong.

Why are you centreing yourself in a post about how to help minorities? Very bizarre.

Soukmyfalafel · 07/08/2024 08:26

Milkyway1213 · 06/08/2024 07:21

I'm disgusted that people like myself are given the label of being 'far right'.

Yes, there's been some horrendous riots by low lives who want nothing more than to cause trouble, and I don't condone their actions for one second. They should be arrested and locked up for their violence. I think 99% of people would think the same.

BUT, they represent a tiny tiny minority of people who are trying to get the Government to acknowledge people's concerns about the illegal immigrants being allowed into the Country. (They just go about it the wrong way)
Most protesters wish to protest in peace, yet, because of the troublemakers, everyone is being labelled as thugs. Why?

Why won't the Government address the real concerns of the people? Why are certain groups allowed to wield knives and machetes in public without intervention by the Police?
It's all wrong.

It sounds to me like you have labelled yourself. I have discussions with people about immigration on all sides of the arguement and I might say they are right leaning, but I don't call them far right. You are confusing the two. Even those who are right leaning would not want people being attacked. The trouble is that far right views have been allowed to filter into the media unchallenged and 'far right' has just become 'right wing'. And yes, far left views are also an issue. Any extreme views are.

How do we get stop it? Stop watching the footage and stop watching/buying media that promote these views and outrage around immigration. If they can't have an adult discussion about it that isn't polarised, they don't deserve your time. It's funny how papers like the Express have gone very quiet and are dissociating themselves from this. Likewise the Tories, with their immigration soundbites that sound like protest chants. Why have they gone so quiet when they are getting what they wanted? It's funny how these people run for the hills when it all kicks off.

PurpleChrayn · 07/08/2024 08:11

One way to support the Jewish community (one of the smallest minorities) is to actually read up on the history of the current conflict from non-biased sources and don't jump on the "genocide/apartheid" bandwagon, as it is severely affecting our safety.

Wishitwasstraightforward · 07/08/2024 08:08

@Crispsandwineandcheese why have you posted to defend your stance about immigration concerns on a thread about supporting people who are afraid for their lives due to the colour of their skin?

I can't see why you and others are comfortable to do this unless you feel your stance justifies the fear that many POC are feeling ATM?

I appreciate that you and some others have indicated that the mindless violence is unacceptable but you've ridden roughshod over the OP's question and posters like you who have barged in to a thread to make your own point have shown yourselves for what you really are.

Wishitwasstraightforward · 07/08/2024 07:57

@Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain how can you complain that communities have not met your requirements in terms of integration when they are treated so horrendously? It may be a minority of white people who are causing this, but it serves to discourage integration on every level.

Crispsandwineandcheese · 07/08/2024 07:48

Milkyway1213 · 06/08/2024 07:21

I'm disgusted that people like myself are given the label of being 'far right'.

Yes, there's been some horrendous riots by low lives who want nothing more than to cause trouble, and I don't condone their actions for one second. They should be arrested and locked up for their violence. I think 99% of people would think the same.

BUT, they represent a tiny tiny minority of people who are trying to get the Government to acknowledge people's concerns about the illegal immigrants being allowed into the Country. (They just go about it the wrong way)
Most protesters wish to protest in peace, yet, because of the troublemakers, everyone is being labelled as thugs. Why?

Why won't the Government address the real concerns of the people? Why are certain groups allowed to wield knives and machetes in public without intervention by the Police?
It's all wrong.

Yeah this .
one hundred percent.

Lavender14 · 07/08/2024 07:48

Milkyway1213 · 06/08/2024 07:21

I'm disgusted that people like myself are given the label of being 'far right'.

Yes, there's been some horrendous riots by low lives who want nothing more than to cause trouble, and I don't condone their actions for one second. They should be arrested and locked up for their violence. I think 99% of people would think the same.

BUT, they represent a tiny tiny minority of people who are trying to get the Government to acknowledge people's concerns about the illegal immigrants being allowed into the Country. (They just go about it the wrong way)
Most protesters wish to protest in peace, yet, because of the troublemakers, everyone is being labelled as thugs. Why?

Why won't the Government address the real concerns of the people? Why are certain groups allowed to wield knives and machetes in public without intervention by the Police?
It's all wrong.

@Milkyway1213 could you explain what an illegal immigrat is please?

Moonshiners · 07/08/2024 07:47

Polarnight · 06/08/2024 09:18

I was quite frightened of the pro Palestine demos. Still am.

Calling for intifada, and all sorts of other disgraceful calls for violence.

Support for those pro Hamas demos though.

Nobody stood in solidarity with Jews who might feel intimidated by this in their own home city. In fact there is support for it

We've had a lot of pro Palestinian protests near us and none of them resulted in violence, beating police, throwing things, setting light to buildings with people inside deliberately, pulling people out of cars, looting shops. They're was inappropriate slogans on some signs that were absolutely rightly removed by the police. No one should be allowed to shout racist things or hold up racist signs.
But it was nothing in comparison to trying to murder people in their hostels.

Wishitwasstraightforward · 07/08/2024 07:47

queenofdarkness666 · 06/08/2024 22:56

Yes, how can we help the Jewish community in the UK (less than 200,000 people) who have spent the last 10 months living in fear and having to put up with a massive increase in Jew hate (both online and physical abuse). Please check in on your Jewish friends and neighbours, they are one of the smallest minority groups in the UK!

You make a good point. But I'm curious as to why you've made it here, on this post, which is about the current riots targeting POC? Are you suggesting that the concern expressed against POC would be better directed at the Jewish community? Because that's how it comes across to me. The whataboutery on this thread is astounding.

Paperweight7 · 07/08/2024 07:47

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 06/08/2024 18:46

I see from where my brother and his family live (moving soon) that there’s not much integration eg with the local muslims who go to mosque there but also jewish and other other faiths and cultures don’t seem to integrate at all. The Ukrainian community one of whom I met by chance did integrate and some other Eastern European cultures do make an effort.

What exactly do you want? The 'muslims going to the local mosque' who you say don't integrate are doctors, teachers, nurses, lawyers, shop assistants, volunteers, drivers, estate agents etc. Their children attend local schools and go to local clubs. They have hobbies, they go to restaurants, visit friends and family... in short, they live their lives like normal people.

I repeat, what exactly do you want?

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 07/08/2024 07:39

Paperweight7 · 07/08/2024 07:34

I really really appreciate you posting this.

For the first time in my life, I am in my own house afraid to go out in my own home town where I was born and have lived most of my life. I am a Muslim Asian woman and we have received information that the violent racist thugs will be attacking our local mosque near where we live. I can't believe this is the UK.

So yes, I really appreciate that you and some others on this thread do care. It does make a difference when you know there are people who do find this racist violence abominable and who don't try to justify it.

If you do work with or have people from minority backgrounds living near you and you tell them you support them and hate the violence going on they will appreciate it.

I'm so sorry that you are struggling. Honestly, I think the majority of people really do care and are horrified by what they're seeing.

The anti-racist counter protesters in my city outnumbered the racist thugs by around 6:1. We've seen similar in many other cities. Please don't allow these evil people to make you feel that they speak for the majority... that's what they want to you think but they could not be more wrong.

Paperweight7 · 07/08/2024 07:34

I really really appreciate you posting this.

For the first time in my life, I am in my own house afraid to go out in my own home town where I was born and have lived most of my life. I am a Muslim Asian woman and we have received information that the violent racist thugs will be attacking our local mosque near where we live. I can't believe this is the UK.

So yes, I really appreciate that you and some others on this thread do care. It does make a difference when you know there are people who do find this racist violence abominable and who don't try to justify it.

If you do work with or have people from minority backgrounds living near you and you tell them you support them and hate the violence going on they will appreciate it.

EasternEcho · 07/08/2024 04:59

Milkyway1213 · 06/08/2024 18:07

I've seen lots of footage and I'm sickened by it.
I'm also sickened by the riot in Birmingham last night where a white man was severely beaten.
Why don't any of you mention the Birmingham riot too?

Your main argument seems to be whataboutism. Why don't you start another thread addressing your grievances, instead of derailing OPs?

queenofdarkness666 · 06/08/2024 22:56

Yes, how can we help the Jewish community in the UK (less than 200,000 people) who have spent the last 10 months living in fear and having to put up with a massive increase in Jew hate (both online and physical abuse). Please check in on your Jewish friends and neighbours, they are one of the smallest minority groups in the UK!

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