Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Are people on Mumsnet secretly racist or what?

231 replies

2024wtf · 05/08/2024 23:29

So many posters not being called out. They say blatantly racist things and back it up with "You can't keep shutting us down by calling us racist". It's because you're a racist assh*le.

Comments aren't even being deleted. Last month, you called YOURSELF a Karen you'll have pages and pages of people telling you off.

OP posts:
Radarkeigh · 06/08/2024 00:20

MN is probs one of the biggest UK based forums, so yes people will target it.

Lonelycrab · 06/08/2024 00:19

but they haven't yet figured out how to deal with the more sophisticated category

strongly agree

2024wtf · 06/08/2024 00:16

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 06/08/2024 00:05

I think part of it is that a lot of the racist posters have learnt how to say racist things while just about sticking within talk guidelines. They are clearly saying (or often implying) very racist things but they manage to evade moderation.

It's straight out of the Farage playbook. Whip up hate as much as you can but stay within the law.

In my experience, MNHQ are generally pretty good at dealing with the posts that are overtly and uncontroversially racist but they haven't yet figured out how to deal with the more sophisticated category.

yes, and they are almost gleeful about it. it makes me feel so sick. I would love their racism to be uncovered in their communities and workplaces where they pretend to be human.

OP posts:
Lonelycrab · 06/08/2024 00:14

Yes

HettieBettyBoo · 06/08/2024 00:12

It’s not just racism. I see many posts on here that are prejudice on age, nationality, religion, social status etc.

People will have their opinions on all of the above on the boards on here. Personally I find some posts very nasty and I always report those posts. Not all are removed though if whatever Mod agrees that a post should stand. I don’t think I’ve ever seen the MN moderation policy.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 06/08/2024 00:05

I think part of it is that a lot of the racist posters have learnt how to say racist things while just about sticking within talk guidelines. They are clearly saying (or often implying) very racist things but they manage to evade moderation.

It's straight out of the Farage playbook. Whip up hate as much as you can but stay within the law.

In my experience, MNHQ are generally pretty good at dealing with the posts that are overtly and uncontroversially racist but they haven't yet figured out how to deal with the more sophisticated category.

Crikeyalmighty · 06/08/2024 00:03

I think we have a lot of 'infiltrators' at the moment on here posting political agitation posts- probably the Tufton st lot now being bunged by Farage etc

Prawncow · 06/08/2024 00:02

There’s someone who’s started a thread claiming that they’re not racist because they had posters of Chuck Berry on their wall as a teenager. Ignoring multilayered wrongness of that for a second, I don’t think that’s MN’s usual demographic.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 06/08/2024 00:00

2024wtf · 05/08/2024 23:55

I stopped. Nothing was being done and it seems that racism is a matter of opinion now.

I was more shocked that in some threads other posters let racist comments slide without saying anything to them or reporting them themselves. It's like they think racism is justified now as a matter of opinion. So sad!

I do try to challenge. I have spent hours on here challenging people. But sometimes you get exhausted by it and you need to have a break. There have been times in recent days when I have felt depressed and defeated by it, and I just haven't been able to muster the energy to keep arguing with people whose views are so deeply entrenched. It can feel futile at times. So I let some posts go for a while and hope that someone else will come along and challenge them...

And then I find the energy and start over again!

2024wtf · 05/08/2024 23:58

Prawncow · 05/08/2024 23:56

I’m sure there are racist MNers but there seems to have been an influx of brand new posters signing up to make these kind of comments in the past few days.

Are they not just name-changing?

This reminds me of the Secret Death eaters in Harry Potter who in the beginning were pretending they were against Voldemort. Then eventually they slowly started showing their true evil faces

OP posts:
Prawncow · 05/08/2024 23:57

I’m reporting whole threads or posters to MN rather than challenging each individual post.

2024wtf · 05/08/2024 23:56

hoarahloux · 05/08/2024 23:52

It's the time of day. All the mods are offline so trolls run rampant. That also brings out the people who agree with them! All banned by morning hopefully.

Hopefully!

OP posts:
Prawncow · 05/08/2024 23:56

I’m sure there are racist MNers but there seems to have been an influx of brand new posters signing up to make these kind of comments in the past few days.

2024wtf · 05/08/2024 23:55

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 05/08/2024 23:50

Are you reporting the posts, OP?

I report the worst ones and they generally get deleted. Sometimes it takes a lot longer than I think it should, but I appreciate that they have a tough job at the moment. They will take another look as well if you query a poor moderation decision. I think they're doing their best.

The rest of it, I just tend to challenge on the threads themselves. Impossible to report every racist post as there are so many of them.

I don't really understand the thing about keeping it secret though. I mean, it seems pretty open and explicit to me. Most people seem outraged if you actually call them racist, but they make no attempt to hide it so I don't suppose they really mind others knowing.

I stopped. Nothing was being done and it seems that racism is a matter of opinion now.

I was more shocked that in some threads other posters let racist comments slide without saying anything to them or reporting them themselves. It's like they think racism is justified now as a matter of opinion. So sad!

OP posts:
SilenceInside · 05/08/2024 23:55

At this time of night posts won't be looked at if they are reported. It can be more effective to highlight a thread to the Night Watch instead by starting a thread about it in that section.

I have been surprised with what some people have been openly posting recently, and justifying it by claiming it's "free speech" and shouldn't be challenged or removed.

Katemax82 · 05/08/2024 23:54

2024wtf · 05/08/2024 23:41

Yeah, im shocked some things are allowed to stand. I would have assumed accounts would be closed down.

Freedom of speech and all that..

hoarahloux · 05/08/2024 23:52

It's the time of day. All the mods are offline so trolls run rampant. That also brings out the people who agree with them! All banned by morning hopefully.

2024wtf · 05/08/2024 23:52

StuckOnTheCeiling · 05/08/2024 23:49

Yes I agree with this.

I think a lot of Brits like to think that racism is only extreme. So apartheid, segregation, police brutality etc. They think that because they always say please and thank you to that nice Mr Singh at the chemist, they can’t possibly be a racist.

Hmmm exactly!!

Although apartheid and colonialism are excused on Mumsnet these days.

OP posts:
Bubblesandcakes · 05/08/2024 23:51

MeowCatPleaseMeowBack · 05/08/2024 23:36

There's no secret about it. Plenty of them genuinely think calling a racist a Karen is worse than racism.

It’s like the twilight zone isn’t it

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 05/08/2024 23:50

Are you reporting the posts, OP?

I report the worst ones and they generally get deleted. Sometimes it takes a lot longer than I think it should, but I appreciate that they have a tough job at the moment. They will take another look as well if you query a poor moderation decision. I think they're doing their best.

The rest of it, I just tend to challenge on the threads themselves. Impossible to report every racist post as there are so many of them.

I don't really understand the thing about keeping it secret though. I mean, it seems pretty open and explicit to me. Most people seem outraged if you actually call them racist, but they make no attempt to hide it so I don't suppose they really mind others knowing.

StuckOnTheCeiling · 05/08/2024 23:49

2024wtf · 05/08/2024 23:44

usually they are saying things that are racist but they think are true. So in their heads it cancels racist.

Yes I agree with this.

I think a lot of Brits like to think that racism is only extreme. So apartheid, segregation, police brutality etc. They think that because they always say please and thank you to that nice Mr Singh at the chemist, they can’t possibly be a racist.

2024wtf · 05/08/2024 23:44

Lovepeaceunderstanding · 05/08/2024 23:42

It appears that the majority of those who comment here call anything which involves discussing an ‘other’ in anything but a positive light racist. It’s what people do when they don’t have the capacity to debate, so much easier to shut the topic down and then smugly claim victory.

usually they are saying things that are racist but they think are true. So in their heads it cancels racist.

OP posts:
Lovepeaceunderstanding · 05/08/2024 23:42

It appears that the majority of those who comment here call anything which involves discussing an ‘other’ in anything but a positive light racist. It’s what people do when they don’t have the capacity to debate, so much easier to shut the topic down and then smugly claim victory.

Notmydaughteryoubitch · 05/08/2024 23:42

Not very hidden sadly, judging from some of the ludicrous racist crap that's been posted over the last few days.

2024wtf · 05/08/2024 23:41

No33 · 05/08/2024 23:32

I can't say they are hidden, there are a lot of blatant racists on here.

Usually do see them called out. I report, and some things stand that I don't think should.

Yeah, im shocked some things are allowed to stand. I would have assumed accounts would be closed down.

OP posts: