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My silly comment blew up wider family now dh miserable

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Allwelcone · 05/08/2024 18:04

So my neice is British/dual national with my sil's country, never lived in UK but loves our culture a lot and bigs up her British-ness at school apparently, which is in a third country.

Over on a recent UK visit, dn made a very British pudding but didn't try any of it as didn't like it (it was a crumble type pud) I said "Oh go on try a bit, I thought you aspired to be British!" This was met with gasps from my teen kids and I said "sorry I've been brought to book there".

My sil has raised it as a big issue and its been used as ammo for them to hate on us basically.

My dh is very unhappy, not sure what I can do? Apologise? Leave it? Back story is sil doesn't seem to like bils family and always seems really sad to be in UK. we do try (e.g lending them our car, lots of hosting, being 100% careful all the time not to offend) but we have never bonded.
Advice appreciated.

OP posts:
Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 05/08/2024 20:11

OP I maye have come a bit hard on you, but wanted to explain something- you say in the post "I tried to rea lit from her country and the neigbouring ones"- and it really shows that you dont really know her nor try to get to know her.
I am from country X. If someone told me they read a book from a country Y that is neighbouring to mine, it would mean absolutely nothing to me. Nothing. Nada. Rien. I dont care about literature from Y country just because it is neighbouring to mine. It would also teach no one anything about me. Neither would book from my country written in XIX century for that matter.

If I told you- I read a Swedish book, and Sweden is in Europe, and so is England- would you feel thrilled that I am trying to learn something about you? Probably not.

You seem to think that reading some lit shows good will and your SIL should be grateful for your interest, but it's not really a sign of interest, it's just a tick the box exercise that makes you think you did your job.

What you really need to look is why is SiL unappy when she is in the UK. Do you often treat her to 'funny quips' and slips of tongue? Do you see your niece as being a bit 'quirky' and getting above herself because she is switching accents (natural thing for many kids btw) and talks about being British and it's a funny anecdote your side of family is passing on, while for her it's part of her identity (you did say you are poking fun at the accent switching)- maybe this is why SiL has not warmed up to you. You said you try not to offend when she comes over- but for most people it's effortless to not offend, what has happened over the years that you have to watch what you are saying when they visit?

Gestures like car lending etc are nice, but they will not replace being sincere and genuine.

BigFatLiar · 05/08/2024 20:09

Why did she make a pud she knew she didn't want to eat?
Why not make a pudding you'd all eat?

Gazelda · 05/08/2024 20:09

@Rosscameasdoody if I said something that my niece found offensive, I'd instantly apologise. Because I care about her feelings.

Me: DN, your glasses are just like Harry Potter's!
DN: ouch, that's not a nice thing to say!
Me: oh, sorry darling. I didn't mean that offensively. You know I love your style.
Me and DN hug. All is forgotten.

ZoeCM · 05/08/2024 20:09

Genuinely surprised that so many people are saying the SIL is "looking to be offended"! OP was out of order and is playing the victim.

sleepingcat002 · 05/08/2024 20:08

Family with three passports here. Not offended. We laugh about things like this.

Allwelcone · 05/08/2024 20:07

@BeanThereDoneIt just re read your post, yes it was in no way intentiined as racist. But it has been received as such and I need to deal with that, the responsibility it mine to do so.

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fatphalange · 05/08/2024 20:04

Oof that's unfortunate. I think given your '100% careful all the the time not to offend' comment, this could sadly have been the last straw for SIL. The comment gives you away a bit, as most people don't have to go out of their way not to cause offence. You seem hyper aware of 'differences' in your family which has led you to put your foot in it and it may not be the first time.

Rosscameasdoody · 05/08/2024 20:03

Gazelda · 05/08/2024 20:03

When did this happen OP? Why haven't you apologise yet?

Even though you don't feel your comment was offensive, she took offence. Why on earth haven't you apologised for saying something that someone you love found offensive?

Possibly because she didn’t intend it to be offensive ? And at no point did OP say her niece was offended. It was her SiL.

Allwelcone · 05/08/2024 20:03

BeanThereDoneIt · 05/08/2024 19:48

I think it’s quite telling that you don’t mention race in your OP. It indicates that you didn’t mean your comment to be about race, but more worryingly suggests that you still don’t see how it absolutely is about race. It is such a typical ‘where are you really from’ style comment that is so familiar to anyone with an understanding of racist micro aggressions.

Your children identified it as what it was immediately. That tells you everything you need to know about how the comment will have landed for your poor niece. Apologise unreservedly, to your niece, your SIL, even your children. Admit to your ignorance and apologise for it - stop hiding behind it as an excuse.

And everyone else on this thread baffled by how it could be viewed as racist - what a privileged yet ignorant life you must lead to think that a bi-racial young girl should take that comment as light hearted 😞

Sorry are you saying mixed race or black people aren't English?

OP posts:
Gazelda · 05/08/2024 20:03

When did this happen OP? Why haven't you apologise yet?

Even though you don't feel your comment was offensive, she took offence. Why on earth haven't you apologised for saying something that someone you love found offensive?

Rosscameasdoody · 05/08/2024 20:03

Justcallmebebes · 05/08/2024 20:00

Can't you see the irony in what you just said?

Clearly not or they wouldn’t have posted.

FranticHare · 05/08/2024 20:02

Dual family here. Clumsy? Maybe. Offensive? Only if there was a huge back story and this was the final straw.

Your SIL sounds hard work - I’d apologise once and then take a step back.

DotAndCarryOne2 · 05/08/2024 20:02

BeanThereDoneIt · 05/08/2024 19:48

I think it’s quite telling that you don’t mention race in your OP. It indicates that you didn’t mean your comment to be about race, but more worryingly suggests that you still don’t see how it absolutely is about race. It is such a typical ‘where are you really from’ style comment that is so familiar to anyone with an understanding of racist micro aggressions.

Your children identified it as what it was immediately. That tells you everything you need to know about how the comment will have landed for your poor niece. Apologise unreservedly, to your niece, your SIL, even your children. Admit to your ignorance and apologise for it - stop hiding behind it as an excuse.

And everyone else on this thread baffled by how it could be viewed as racist - what a privileged yet ignorant life you must lead to think that a bi-racial young girl should take that comment as light hearted 😞

Sorry but this is just bollocks. If OP not mentioning race in her post indicates that she didn’t intend her comment to be about race, how can it ‘absolutely be about race’ if that’s not what she intended. !!

Justcallmebebes · 05/08/2024 20:00

HappyFitnessQueen · 05/08/2024 19:30

You sound like you are unkind towards your dn. You seem to mock her for changing her accent from US to UK, depending on where she is. This is actually a very natural thing to do and a way that human beings try to fit in.

Shame on you for trying to belittle her. Your dc know what you're like so they were shocked because they knew your intention behind the supposedly 'innocuous' remark.

You don't get to call yourself 'clumsy' when you're an insensitive fool. Apologise properly and work on yourself. You need to be kinder to them.

Can't you see the irony in what you just said?

Allwelcone · 05/08/2024 19:59

MrsTerryPratchett · 05/08/2024 19:53

I have dual. I think it was a pretty nasty comment. Which would be fine if it really was a 'slip' or a poorly executed joke. But add in OP's addition of how hilarious she finds DN switching accents, and the fact that DN is mixed race... it's looking pretty awful.

I was only told about the code switching by her dad finding it funny.
Many of us have had to do it (myself included).

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Rosscameasdoody · 05/08/2024 19:58

Pusheen467 · 05/08/2024 19:56

What a load of ridiculous fuss over nothing.

Yep, but you can trust MN to turn it into something it’s not and make OP feel like the biggest shit in the world, when she actually didn’t mean any offence.

Mumoftwo1316 · 05/08/2024 19:58

renthead · 05/08/2024 19:50

You haven't read the full thread then?

I've read the entire thing. The vast majority of posters who hold dual nationality (myself included) are not offended. There are about three who didn't like the comment.

Oh I see the mixup. Dual nationality is not exactly the same as mixed race. There is a Venn overlap of course. Op's niece is both.

WorriedMama12 · 05/08/2024 19:57

Pusheen467 · 05/08/2024 19:56

What a load of ridiculous fuss over nothing.

I know. How can people be bothered with this nonsense.

Pusheen467 · 05/08/2024 19:56

What a load of ridiculous fuss over nothing.

Allwelcone · 05/08/2024 19:56

Simonjt · 05/08/2024 19:33

So you’ve told a British mixed raced woman she isn’t British and merely aspires to be, you’ve also mocked her code switching, which is something virtually everyone does who has been brought up with two languages/two distinct accents.

The whole you’re not British thing is very commonly told to non-white Brits by racists, so its likely they think you have been racist.

Have a good grovel, apologise, we all say stupid stuff and the awkwardness won’t last forever.

Oh jeez that's awful. Sadly it will last for ever I think as sil has been looking for reasons (not just vis a vis me) and I'm sure she has many as the world is shite for her.
I wasn't AWARE I was doing it at all I was just having a laugh genuinely with the kids.

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Rosscameasdoody · 05/08/2024 19:56

Soontobe60 · 05/08/2024 18:16

This⬆️
Oh, and don’t refer to their country as “third”!

She didn’t. She said ‘a third country’ as in that’s where she goes to school, and not of her dual nationality. The standard of reading comprehension on MN is appalling sometimes.

Blueblell · 05/08/2024 19:56

I know what you meant - skin colour is not relevant here. You were joking about crumble and if she wants to be British she should like it. It’s obviously a clumsy joke due to the dual nationality but not being brought up here.

If SIL isn’t keen on the British family is it a case of it being convenient to take offence.

I wouldn’t dwell too much on it - all you can say to your niece is “of course you are British and not aspiring I am sorry I upset you”

Mumoftwo1316 · 05/08/2024 19:56

renthead · 05/08/2024 19:50

You haven't read the full thread then?

I've read the entire thing. The vast majority of posters who hold dual nationality (myself included) are not offended. There are about three who didn't like the comment.

Yeah but you said "only" those who weren't mixed race or dual nationality didn't like it. Implying you hadn't read the full thread.

I wouldn't say I would have been offended or aggrieved as op's niece but I'd certainly be eye rolling and thinking what a muppet op is, for the reasons I gave upthread.

I did say I have sympathy as I can be a bigmouth. But it really was silly of op.

GlasgowGal82 · 05/08/2024 19:54

Soontobe60 · 05/08/2024 18:16

This⬆️
Oh, and don’t refer to their country as “third”!

I took it that meant they didn't live in "their" country but lived somewhere else. i.e. not Britain, not the country that they derive their other nationality from, but a 'third country'. Could be wrong though, especially since OP seems to be lacking attention to detail on this front!

MrsTerryPratchett · 05/08/2024 19:53

renthead · 05/08/2024 19:50

You haven't read the full thread then?

I've read the entire thing. The vast majority of posters who hold dual nationality (myself included) are not offended. There are about three who didn't like the comment.

I have dual. I think it was a pretty nasty comment. Which would be fine if it really was a 'slip' or a poorly executed joke. But add in OP's addition of how hilarious she finds DN switching accents, and the fact that DN is mixed race... it's looking pretty awful.

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