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Allwelcone · 05/08/2024 18:04

So my neice is British/dual national with my sil's country, never lived in UK but loves our culture a lot and bigs up her British-ness at school apparently, which is in a third country.

Over on a recent UK visit, dn made a very British pudding but didn't try any of it as didn't like it (it was a crumble type pud) I said "Oh go on try a bit, I thought you aspired to be British!" This was met with gasps from my teen kids and I said "sorry I've been brought to book there".

My sil has raised it as a big issue and its been used as ammo for them to hate on us basically.

My dh is very unhappy, not sure what I can do? Apologise? Leave it? Back story is sil doesn't seem to like bils family and always seems really sad to be in UK. we do try (e.g lending them our car, lots of hosting, being 100% careful all the time not to offend) but we have never bonded.
Advice appreciated.

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Otherstories2002 · 05/08/2024 20:49

Allwelcone · 05/08/2024 20:46

I would have said it to someone of any skin tone who chooses to identify as British though?

“Who chooses to identify as British”.

This is you learning?

She is British. She isn’t choosing to identify as British anymore than you are.

Greally · 05/08/2024 20:49

I have dual nationality by virtue of my father’s birth, not because I have lived in other country. Visited many, many times and this is the sort of comment a cousin would make to me. I wouldn’t be remotely offended.

Allwelcone · 05/08/2024 20:48

Otherstories2002 · 05/08/2024 20:46

Because she’s racist. And deep down she doesn’t think they’re as British as she is and she has the right to point that out.

In what way do you think you're helping? I for one am trying to see things differently.

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Allwelcone · 05/08/2024 20:46

Otherstories2002 · 05/08/2024 20:45

Where are you really from is obviously racist.

You aren’t really British is as well.

You were racist.

I would have said it to someone of any skin tone who chooses to identify as British though?

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Otherstories2002 · 05/08/2024 20:46

AGoingConcern · 05/08/2024 20:45

Why are you so reluctant to just apologize to your niece? Start there.

Because she’s racist. And deep down she doesn’t think they’re as British as she is and she has the right to point that out.

Otherstories2002 · 05/08/2024 20:45

Polyp0 · 05/08/2024 20:41

You gasped?!?!

I winced. Its bad.

AGoingConcern · 05/08/2024 20:45

Allwelcone · 05/08/2024 20:44

OK so I think I need to firstly know who is upset, is it bil, sil or dn I genuinely don't know.

Why are you so reluctant to just apologize to your niece? Start there.

Otherstories2002 · 05/08/2024 20:45

Allwelcone · 05/08/2024 20:43

@Otherstories2002 sorry my comment has been taken as racist, sorry for offending you too. I genuinely didnt think how it may have come accross and am hurt that they took it that way from me.
I thought the whole 'where are you REALLY from' thing was obviosly racist.

Where are you really from is obviously racist.

You aren’t really British is as well.

You were racist.

usernamealreadytaken · 05/08/2024 20:44

Soontobe60 · 05/08/2024 18:16

This⬆️
Oh, and don’t refer to their country as “third”!

I took third country to mean they don’t live in either the UK (first nationality) or SIL’s home nation (second nationality), so where they live would be the third country, isn’t that reasonable? What would you call it?

phoenixrosehere · 05/08/2024 20:44

I think yabu for telling dn to do something when it wasn’t your concern and then to add an unnecessary comment about her Britishness.

Why even make such a comment?

Intention or not, you were rude and should apologise.

Otherstories2002 · 05/08/2024 20:44

Allwelcone · 05/08/2024 20:37

Tbh I did mean culturally British as in eat the sodding pudding

I think a lot of it comes down to - this is SO trivial- sil refusing some strawberries the other day when I'd cooked lunch for about 12 of his family.

Eating pudding you don’t like is not a cultural requirement to be British. Nor is eating strawberries.

You’re continuing to be racist.

Allwelcone · 05/08/2024 20:44

AGoingConcern · 05/08/2024 20:42

Wait, you're upset that your SIL didn't want to eat some strawberries? Really? And you're on here portraying her as overly sensitive and looking for a quarrel?

Stop making this about your relationship with your SIL. Apologize to your niece, who doesn't deserve to be a casualty in whatever tense relationship you have with your SIL.

OK so I think I need to firstly know who is upset, is it bil, sil or dn I genuinely don't know.

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Allwelcone · 05/08/2024 20:43

@Otherstories2002 sorry my comment has been taken as racist, sorry for offending you too. I genuinely didnt think how it may have come accross and am hurt that they took it that way from me.
I thought the whole 'where are you REALLY from' thing was obviosly racist.

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AGoingConcern · 05/08/2024 20:42

Wait, you're upset that your SIL didn't want to eat some strawberries? Really? And you're on here portraying her as overly sensitive and looking for a quarrel?

Stop making this about your relationship with your SIL. Apologize to your niece, who doesn't deserve to be a casualty in whatever tense relationship you have with your SIL.

Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 05/08/2024 20:41

Allwelcone · 05/08/2024 20:37

Tbh I did mean culturally British as in eat the sodding pudding

I think a lot of it comes down to - this is SO trivial- sil refusing some strawberries the other day when I'd cooked lunch for about 12 of his family.

So you're taking your frustration on the niece because SIL didnt want to eat strawberries?
Does she even like strawberries?

Polyp0 · 05/08/2024 20:41

StormingNorman · 05/08/2024 18:23

I gasped too.

If you are white and dn isn’t then it takes on an additional level of offence. Even if that wasn’t your intention.

Presumably you meant she enjoyed her British heritage and aspired to experience more of the culture while she’s here?

You gasped?!?!

betterangels · 05/08/2024 20:41

Does she like strawberries? So, you're annoyed at your SIL and decided to bring her daughter into it?

Seriously, that's not great on top of everything else.

Puffalicious · 05/08/2024 20:41

Sorry if it's been asked, but what the hell does 'Brought to book' mean? I thought it was a typo, but the OP has said it twice now. Sorry to de-rail, but it's really annoying me!

applestrudels · 05/08/2024 20:40

My children have dual nationality, we live in Britain, but we're raising them bilingual and we visit DH's country 4-5 times a year, and yet my in-laws are ALWAYS making comments implying that the children aren't really DH's nationality.

It's always harmless and well-meaning stuff, like just calling them collectively "the English ones" to differentiate them from their cousins, or - actually like you - if they don't like something at dinner time, saying "ah, that's because you're English".

For me, it ranges between being mildly irritating to being a straight up fact. Someone who is no brought up in a country will always be a semi-outsider to a certain extent - and dual nationality friends of mine have said the same to me. On other occasions, (depending on what the remark was), I just remind the person who made the remark, "well, they literally are [DH's nationality]" (if they said something relating to their legal status or suchlike).

It sounds like your in-laws were looking for an excuse to be offended.

Allwelcone · 05/08/2024 20:37

Otherstories2002 · 05/08/2024 20:28

It was racist.

She doesn’t aspire to be British. She IS British. Would you have said something like to one of your children if they didn’t like the pudding? Or any white person?

You were racist. Own it and apologise.

Tbh I did mean culturally British as in eat the sodding pudding

I think a lot of it comes down to - this is SO trivial- sil refusing some strawberries the other day when I'd cooked lunch for about 12 of his family.

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MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 05/08/2024 20:36

Allwelcone · 05/08/2024 20:16

Yeah u guess. Does it depend on who was offended?

Honestly, no, I don't think so.

Obviously I can't speak for your niece, but I'm pretty sure that my dd wouldn't let any upset show to her dad's side of the family if they said something like this. She would absolutely put on a brave face in front of them and insist that it wasn't an issue - I think she would be reluctant to admit to being offended because if she acknowledged it at all, it would open the floodgates and then be very difficult for her not to get really, really upset.

But I also know how incredibly hurt she would be behind closed doors, so I probably would have to say something on her behalf. I would be angry at their insensitivity if I'm honest. Thankfully dh's family don't think like this at all, but she has had the odd comment from family friends etc in dh's home country and those casual little remarks are so alienating.

Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 05/08/2024 20:36

nowahousewife · 05/08/2024 20:21

I do appreciate things are different for everyone and understand that your Malaysian friend must have been bemused at the least by her obviously thick colleague.

Don’t think my kids were ever treated as inferior when they visited NZ but they did get ribbed for their ‘Pommie’ accents and ways. When they were v little the Kiwi’s thought they were cute but the NZ way is to take the mick (don’t worry plenty of Irish family too) out of everyone. My now adult kids are pretty robust and perhaps being exposed to a range of people and behaviours has contributed to that.

Well, l the colleague was fuming inside. He was very polite back at pointed it's his mother tognue, but the colleague also didnt get it and persisted in follow up comments, equally bizarre, along the line show they had great fun in Indonesia on holiday (because it's apparently the same country) like if he was meant to be honoured by that.

Your family (both sides) seem great and accepting.

Unfortunately it's not the same for other families. It's different like in the case of your family if everyone is in on the joke, but here it seems SiL and the DN are the butt of the joke and it has been going on for a while. In your family everyone is taking the mick, but no one is taking the mick out of OP, it's a very one sided her poking fun at the niece and her little quirks.

If OP and her family has a form for making insensitive comments, then I can see why SIL would be quite sensitive to it after the years Imagine having family thinking it's 'hilarious' your child feels British and that their interest in their own (!) culture is seen as a way to distinguish themselves from other kids in school, therefore not genuine.

People may be hating on Meghan Markle and she said some questionable things, but there were a few things she said when she first came to the UK, the casual racism she described from the royal family members who displayed sort of Victorian era attitudes to race- and some of the things OP said in her comments made me think of that.

Cassidyscircus · 05/08/2024 20:33

Ooooof I winced just reading that.
you owe the family an apology there.

minuette1 · 05/08/2024 20:33

SonicTheHodgeheg · 05/08/2024 19:09

It’s a shame that they didn’t overlook what you said when they should know what you’re like as a person so don’t mean it as it came across.

I’m mixed race and have had comments in both countries like that which makes me feel like I don’t belong anywhere. I’ve lived in England most of my life and get asked things like where I’m really from and the people who ask are never satisfied with the answer London. I think that using aspire made it sound like you were saying that her other nationality was inferior which as family, they should know that is not how you think. She IS British - not culturally as she’s never lived in the UK but unfortunately you phrased things wrong. As a person who lived in multicultural Britain you’ll be fully aware of people who don’t have the nationality but are culturally British.

I think that some families don’t do teasing ever. My kids and I gently tease each other regularly but I’ve seen other families look horrified at her we banter.

It’s a shame that they didn’t overlook what you said when they should know what you’re like as a person so don’t mean it as it came across

But maybe they do know what the OP is like as a person, and this is just the latest cringey race related faux pas she has made.

Puffinshop · 05/08/2024 20:32

CatherinedeBourgh · 05/08/2024 20:16

The problem is that a lot of people do have the attitude that if you are not born of two parents of the same nationality you are not of that nationality.

My dc have had racist comments made to them about not being 'really' of one of their nationalities, because they don't speak the language with us. So people are sensitive to anything that implies that kind of thing.

Exactly. And when they get it from both sides, which is common, what are they to understand? That they're not really anything and their whole identity is just them putting on airs?

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