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My silly comment blew up wider family now dh miserable

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Allwelcone · 05/08/2024 18:04

So my neice is British/dual national with my sil's country, never lived in UK but loves our culture a lot and bigs up her British-ness at school apparently, which is in a third country.

Over on a recent UK visit, dn made a very British pudding but didn't try any of it as didn't like it (it was a crumble type pud) I said "Oh go on try a bit, I thought you aspired to be British!" This was met with gasps from my teen kids and I said "sorry I've been brought to book there".

My sil has raised it as a big issue and its been used as ammo for them to hate on us basically.

My dh is very unhappy, not sure what I can do? Apologise? Leave it? Back story is sil doesn't seem to like bils family and always seems really sad to be in UK. we do try (e.g lending them our car, lots of hosting, being 100% careful all the time not to offend) but we have never bonded.
Advice appreciated.

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TheDancingPinkFlamingo · 06/08/2024 00:06

Based on OP’s family reaction it sounds as though OP did cause offence.

It’s not about walking on eggshells, it’s about conversations being lifted to a place where people feel valued.

YesIReallyDoLikeRootBeer · 05/08/2024 23:40

Allwelcone · 05/08/2024 20:58

Oh interesting. I suppose I'm so down about it all and have been for years because my sil has been so cold to me. Yes I do think she thinks I'm racist. Maybe I have some awful attitudes, I will have a think
Yes I do need to apologise.

You keep putting all this on SIL but your own children reacted to what you said immediately. Have you asked THEM why they found what you said bad? Why is all this about your evil SIL when your whole family is upset by what you said? You want to know how it could be seen as bad, start by asking your own children. Then apologize to dn, sil and bil.

OkPedro · 05/08/2024 23:05

AconsonantpleaseCarol · 05/08/2024 22:20

Why do you assume they are from NI?

People in NI are entitled to hold both Irish and British passports as per the good Friday agreement

BobbyBiscuits · 05/08/2024 22:46

It's a shame. All you can do is apologise. I think I can see why they found it a bit insensitive. But not enough to fall out with you in a serious way.

FFSWherearemyglasses · 05/08/2024 22:33

Jeeeez 😵‍💫 this post makes my head hurt 🤯
OP, stop beating yourself up. You sound like a lovely, kind, non confrontational person.
Your SIL on the other hand sounds like a twat that’s been spoiling for a fight and whatever you have said she has taken as a gift and has run with it.
If you love your niece and you’re genuinely worried that you MAY have offended her; ask her. If she says “Yes” she was a bit pissed off, apologise, try to explain your intention and hug it out.
Let your SIL get on with being offended 🙄
As for DH, he should know you better than anyone and know you have not intended to offend anyone.
Life’s too short for worrying about what people think.
💐

Otherstories2002 · 05/08/2024 22:22

StarDolphins · 05/08/2024 22:09

And you’re extremely unpleasant. Op hasn’t said anything to suggest suggest a vile response.

Yes she has. Multiple things.

AconsonantpleaseCarol · 05/08/2024 22:20

OkPedro · 05/08/2024 22:05

Why do they bother with the British passport if they'd be "offended" to be called British? I assume your friends are from NI?

Why do you assume they are from NI?

Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 05/08/2024 22:19

DaisyFloop · 05/08/2024 22:06

I think a genuine racist is someone who doesn't like another race. Someone who lacks understanding or struggles to communicate might come across as racist. My autistic sons best friend is from Africa He's genuinely interested in his different way of life and hisp looks. He spoke to his african friend about his 'bushy hair' and asked to feel it, said its really soft and bouncy like a cloud. Then they moved on - they're both teens and commenting on a black person's hair like that could automatically be called racist but it wasn't.

But op is not an autistic teen and the situation is totally different.
She is a (I suspect) educated adult who made a number of pretty racist comments. She may not even realise she was racist, it could be even subconscious bias that many people show without even realising, that does not mean it is ok. It still is what it is.

socialdilemmawhattodo · 05/08/2024 22:11

tuvamoodyson · 05/08/2024 18:48

Yes, if they bigged it up like OP’s neice does re her Britishness…

Many of my Indian friends big up their culture and seem to love it if we join in. I feel very awkward joining in as I know very little about true Indian culture and would not want to offend.

StarDolphins · 05/08/2024 22:09

Otherstories2002 · 05/08/2024 20:59

You are racist. You think you’re better than them.

And you’re extremely unpleasant. Op hasn’t said anything to suggest suggest a vile response.

DaisyFloop · 05/08/2024 22:06

Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 05/08/2024 22:01

What is genuine racism? Abd is op displaying non genuine racism as opposed to that?
Her comment was racist. Many of her other comments hinted a pretty ignorant if not racist attitude towards Sil and the niece. You dont need to be burning mosques to be racist.

I think a genuine racist is someone who doesn't like another race. Someone who lacks understanding or struggles to communicate might come across as racist. My autistic sons best friend is from Africa He's genuinely interested in his different way of life and hisp looks. He spoke to his african friend about his 'bushy hair' and asked to feel it, said its really soft and bouncy like a cloud. Then they moved on - they're both teens and commenting on a black person's hair like that could automatically be called racist but it wasn't.

OkPedro · 05/08/2024 22:05

AconsonantpleaseCarol · 05/08/2024 21:00

I know many people with British and Irish passports who would say they are Irish and would be offended to be told they were in fact British.

Why do they bother with the British passport if they'd be "offended" to be called British? I assume your friends are from NI?

minuette1 · 05/08/2024 22:03

StarDolphins · 05/08/2024 21:33

Few theatrical offended on here as per.

Op, imo you did nothing wrong. At worst, clumsy. I would stop pandering to SIL too.

I think the fact the OP’s children gasped rather than saw it as banter makes me think that the children were thinking along the lines of ‘oh no mum’s being a bit racist again, this is so embarrassing’. Also the husband seems disproportionately upset if this was a one off ill-judged comment, so coupled with the OP’s generally un-self aware comments on this thread, I feel like the sister in law and niece would have a very different tale than the OP’s and have probably had to put up with these kinds of comments from the OP for years and have now reached breaking point.

Lunde · 05/08/2024 22:03

cupcaske123 · 05/08/2024 18:08

I don't understand what was so offensive. Do they think being British is offensive?

No - it's telling a British person that they are not "British" enough if they don't like crumble ... or fish& chips or a pint of bitter.

I understand OP made it as a daft throw away comment but when you live as a dual national both sides often love to bash you for non-conformity to their perceived cultural norms.

CinnamonJellyBeans · 05/08/2024 22:01

Your comment conveyed that you think she is inferior by birth. It's the word "aspire" that comes across as offensive, whether you meant to be or not.

Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 05/08/2024 22:01

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 05/08/2024 21:01

You are racist. You think you’re better than them.

This just utterly undermines genuine racism, and is a shitty, unpleasant thing to say to the OP.

What is genuine racism? Abd is op displaying non genuine racism as opposed to that?
Her comment was racist. Many of her other comments hinted a pretty ignorant if not racist attitude towards Sil and the niece. You dont need to be burning mosques to be racist.

NotSoHotMess24 · 05/08/2024 22:00

My sister married into an African family. None of them would be offended at all by this? And in return the African side of the family (we see the parents and siblings of the spouse frequently), laugh at our inability to eat jolof rice if it's too spicy. Hardly a big deal, is it?

I suppose if they're offended, they're offended, and people's feelings can't be wrong. But they do sound like hard work to me. If they're just in-laws, and you don't have to see them very often, I'd probably just apologise to keep the peace, and then let your husband do the hosting when they're about 🤷‍♀️

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 05/08/2024 21:59

AconsonantpleaseCarol · 05/08/2024 21:44

In your initial post you said 'She is British'. Then you wrote 'She is British as well'. You are now falling over yourself to say that is what you meant to write initially except it isn't what you wrote.

FFS, what is your problem?

She is British. In the context of this thread, that is literally all that matters, and that is exactly what I intended to write.

Obviously, as a dual national, she is something else as well, but that is not at issue here. We have known from the outset that the child is a dual national, and most of us understand how that works, so there was no need to keep referencing it.

I'm sure you think you're terribly clever but you're just getting stuck on a complete irrelevance.

SaintHonoria · 05/08/2024 21:58

Her immediate family are looking for trouble. You haven't done anything wrong.

gotmyknickersinatwist · 05/08/2024 21:53

Allwelcone · 05/08/2024 18:21

Dn is British on paper and in point of fact. Her other country is not Western, there are many cultural differences, I have blundered so much with sil. I have read literature by writers from her country and neighbouring ones to try and inform myself of her experience and possible issues.

Sounds like you're making way to much effort with your SIL & it's not being reciprocated AT ALL. I'd stop making any effort tbh, you're wasting your time & energy. If she has no interest in a relationship with you, to feck with her, and no way in hell I'd lend her my car.

FearOfTheDucks · 05/08/2024 21:50

I have Irish parents and an Irish passport. I was born in England and have lived here all my life, but if someone asked my ethnicity I'd say Irish.

If an Irish person from Ireland (relative or not) made a comment indicating that they didn't think of me as Irish, I wouldn't be offended in the slightest. There is a difference, in culture and experience. I can see their perspective

If your niece's feelings were hurt, it'd be kind to apologise for upsetting her, but it all seems like a storm in a teacup. Definitely not a serious issue.

RadishPickle · 05/08/2024 21:49

Oh wow. Almost this exact thing happened to me almost 20 years ago!

Dad is Irish. Mom is from the Philippines. I grew up in a 'third' country, i.e. country neither of them are from. So the only thing I had to cling on to was my parents countries, and was/am really proud of being from both places.

One of my Dad's cousins made a very similar comment in a convo about food when I said I wasn't mad about Irish stew. Her exact words were "you'll never be a real Irish woman if you don't like stew". It was just a throwaway comment to her, and maybe it seems silly to some, but God it really broke my heart.

I lived in Ireland for university and a good chunk of my twenties, and I loved it. I had people say racist stuff to me on occasion, but nothing ever hurt as badly as knowing that my own family would never truly consider me 'one of them'. Feel so sad for your niece.

AconsonantpleaseCarol · 05/08/2024 21:44

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 05/08/2024 21:39

There is literally no contradiction between those two statements. Do you not understand how dual nationality works?

Saying that someone is British does not preclude them being something else as well. That's irrelevant. You are no less British by virtue of having a second or indeed third nationality.

As for being offensive, the material point in this situation is that the DN has a British passport and she clearly identifies as being British, so there is no question over whether or not she is British. The identity of your Irish friends is irrelevant because they identity differently.

In your initial post you said 'She is British'. Then you wrote 'She is British as well'. You are now falling over yourself to say that is what you meant to write initially except it isn't what you wrote.

BeeHappy12 · 05/08/2024 21:43

I mean, it's a pretty offensive thing to say and i can understand why she's upset.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 05/08/2024 21:39

AconsonantpleaseCarol · 05/08/2024 21:26

Initially you said If she has a British passport, she is British.
Now you have concurred if they hold British passports, they are British as well.

Your two sentences are saying two different things.

This is an example of how easy it is to state something that can be interpreted as offensive to the recipient.

There is literally no contradiction between those two statements. Do you not understand how dual nationality works?

Saying that someone is British does not preclude them being something else as well. That's irrelevant. You are no less British by virtue of having a second or indeed third nationality.

As for being offensive, the material point in this situation is that the DN has a British passport and she clearly identifies as being British, so there is no question over whether or not she is British. The identity of your Irish friends is irrelevant because they identity differently.

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