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ALittleAlarmed · 05/08/2024 10:55

...to be worried.

I mentioned to my sister about something that I did last week. She elaborated on this with a whole story, "oh yes, when you told me, I mentioned it to another relative, and I think she went there deliberately to try to bump into you..." The only thing is, I never told her I was even going there! We hadn't chatted for a couple of weeks. Sister's dp was sitting there, I got a bit of a shock, and I didn't say anything.

When I am thinking back, I feel some of the things she has said in the past have been a little distorted, saying in conversation "oh when you said you liked this...", and I have replied saying, "that wasn't me", and she has gotten surprised, stating that she was absolutely sure I had. In the past she has gotten very easily offended, petty even, thinking she has sent cards when she hasn't, annoyed with me etc. I am now thinking has her behaviour been this way, because she has a distorted version of events.

I have thought in the past it was just slip ups, which everyone makes occasionally. Only, it felt like a piece of a jigsaw this time; it was a full false memory.

Can this all be attributed to stress, or tiredness? It is concerning me because my friend who has epilepsy, and is on strong medication doesn't do any of this. My sister does suffer from depression, and is possibly on medication for this. She says she isn't a great sleeper as well, often waking early in the morning.

Dsis works fulltime, is intelligent, has her brain challenged regularly, and keeps busy. She is 40.

Is all of this normal? I'm now beginning to question her version of events, and recollection when she tells me things.

I don't really know what to do, if anything. Do I mention this to dm, her dp, to see if they have noticed anything. I wouldn't want to go behind her back. If I mention it to her, she may get upset, and offended.

Does anybody have experience of this?

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Wowwww · 05/08/2024 12:20

I have now read your post she has ocd. We have a lot of ocd in our family including me. It is a mental health issue and a response to dealing with stress / anxiety. Also often comes with a neurodiversity. I suspect she is an over thinker and is mixing her memories up with her thoughts.

Wowwww · 05/08/2024 12:17

Do you think she might have inattentive adhd? Inattentive adhd is a busy mind rather than a busy body and we tend to day dream. I have realised when older I have tended to mix up memories with my thoughts. I had a brain scan and all was ok - I have just gotten over tired during periods of poor memory

AnonymousBleep · 05/08/2024 12:17

LifeIsCrazy91 · 05/08/2024 12:13

ALittleAlarmed

My daughter has a completely different perception / memory to actual reality and often thinks her dreams are true too and will be adamant things happened that didnt

Shes on the neuro pathway for ADHD and autism.

Yes in the past she seemed to exaggerate situations, easily offended. We have always put it down to her being a little petty. However, she has been deeply hurt by the injustices she has believed that have happened. She has had differing, slightly distorted recollections in the past, but this seems to have worsened. Sometimes Dsis's memory is good, and she is kind, and has a good heart. I don't believe it to be manipulation. I really do not know what is going on here

That is interesting that you mention that. Dsis does have OCD, and a fussiness about things, which our family, and dsis herself will laugh about

Spending a full day in bed could well be burn out. I'm not a proffesional, I was diagnosed with ADHD in 2023 and diagnosed with autism a few weeks ago,

Some of the things you have mentioned sound very similar to me and my DD

I have ADHD. I often forget things that DID happen, but I don't 'remember' things that didn't happen. I know it can present differently in different people, but I don't think what the OP is describing sounds ADHD related to me.

AnonymousBleep · 05/08/2024 12:14

ALittleAlarmed · 05/08/2024 12:01

Thank you, the false memory did seem to give her a bigger role. However, at the same time it didn't seem deliberate. She will mention the places I have travelled for instance, and how she would like to go there. She doesn't show off about anything, and will give compliments etc.

I don't think it's exactly deliberate with my sister either. She will claim she was at the middle of some event that I know she wasn't at - because I was there - and will look me in the eye when saying it. Narcissists construct their own version of reality, and believe it.

Insidelaurashead · 05/08/2024 12:14

I have Fibromyalgia, and one of the symptoms is brain fog. I often think I've told my partner something and actually I've thought 'oh I must tell DP about that delivery coming tomorrow'

Luckily it's not been anything important for me or anything that's impacted anyone else, but it does freak me out when it happens

LifeIsCrazy91 · 05/08/2024 12:13

ALittleAlarmed

My daughter has a completely different perception / memory to actual reality and often thinks her dreams are true too and will be adamant things happened that didnt

Shes on the neuro pathway for ADHD and autism.

Yes in the past she seemed to exaggerate situations, easily offended. We have always put it down to her being a little petty. However, she has been deeply hurt by the injustices she has believed that have happened. She has had differing, slightly distorted recollections in the past, but this seems to have worsened. Sometimes Dsis's memory is good, and she is kind, and has a good heart. I don't believe it to be manipulation. I really do not know what is going on here

That is interesting that you mention that. Dsis does have OCD, and a fussiness about things, which our family, and dsis herself will laugh about

Spending a full day in bed could well be burn out. I'm not a proffesional, I was diagnosed with ADHD in 2023 and diagnosed with autism a few weeks ago,

Some of the things you have mentioned sound very similar to me and my DD

Demonhunter · 05/08/2024 12:10

I'd be concerned too and would be thinking like you, that maybe it could be medication related or even an undiagnosed medical issue.

I'm not sure how your relationship is but I'd try and probe her a little more and gently suggest she has a check over at the GP about it.

Dartwarbler · 05/08/2024 12:06

ALittleAlarmed · 05/08/2024 11:36

Thank you so much for your reply. Exactly, and I genuinely don't believe she is doing this on purpose. We are on good terms, and it wasn't a false memory to cause trouble iyswim. One of our parents who died, had vasular dementia, but this was in later life, and I have read that this isn't genetic? Wouldn't she be too young?
I am a very intuitive person, and when it happened I felt a deep pang in my stomach. It felt wrong.

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First thing. Can you have a quiet word with her partner.
If s phe has any medical symptoms he will be seeing this as well, and more frequently. You can be quite casual but express some mild concern re sister.

if he’s not noticed, ok there’s a chance he’s just not that observant, but anything serious it will have at least gone through his head, even if he’s not done anything about it. Men aren’t great on getting their partner to seek help.

if he has noticed, then gently suggest he keeps a “diary” somewhere discreet for a few weeks, then makes a Gp appointment and shows and asks for what to do. GP will most likely say cant discuss and get her to make appointment, but if partner can show a sufficient frequency they could talk about a test . particularly if they mention family history.

id also start to keep your own diary of events. They’re extremely useful to look back on to see if things are getting worse, improving or patterns of tiredness. Stress etc. they’re extremely useful to medical teams if it comes to this.

if partner isn’t noticing anything, even after you’ve raised, in a few months time, and it isn’t getting worse, it is most likely sleep or medication and nothing serious.

don’t start to raise it with her, and challenge unless she’s saying so,etching outrageous or hurtful. Just watch and wait. You can, if annoyed by something she claims, throw in the classic “recollections may differ “

NotQuiteUsual · 05/08/2024 12:05

My sister does this too. She even will tell my stories as her own. I think her memory is just really shit. So when she thinks something she wants to tell me, she accidentally remembers telling me regardless of if it happened or not.

My sister is intelligent, capable and perfectly lovely. Just something about the way she remembers stuff gets muddled.

ALittleAlarmed · 05/08/2024 12:03

DoIWantTo · 05/08/2024 11:58

Why are you saying she has false memories? Sounds more like she’s telling lies, which is her prerogative but it’d make me think twice about believing or sharing things with her.

It wasn't a lie, there would have been no reason for it. When adding what happened with other occurrences I am starting to think that dsis may have a MH condition. I am worried.

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ALittleAlarmed · 05/08/2024 12:01

AnonymousBleep · 05/08/2024 11:56

My sister does this all the time. She is a massive narcissist and she reinvents history to give herself a bigger role in it. Speaking to her, you'd think she'd been to Glastonbury and to raves and that she'd dated a whole bunch of my friends - she hasn't. It was me who did all those things, but in her head, it's her. It's really weird and feels like she just thinks she's entitled to my identity but I try and ignore it.

Thank you, the false memory did seem to give her a bigger role. However, at the same time it didn't seem deliberate. She will mention the places I have travelled for instance, and how she would like to go there. She doesn't show off about anything, and will give compliments etc.

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DoIWantTo · 05/08/2024 11:58

Why are you saying she has false memories? Sounds more like she’s telling lies, which is her prerogative but it’d make me think twice about believing or sharing things with her.

AnonymousBleep · 05/08/2024 11:56

ALittleAlarmed · 05/08/2024 10:55

...to be worried.

I mentioned to my sister about something that I did last week. She elaborated on this with a whole story, "oh yes, when you told me, I mentioned it to another relative, and I think she went there deliberately to try to bump into you..." The only thing is, I never told her I was even going there! We hadn't chatted for a couple of weeks. Sister's dp was sitting there, I got a bit of a shock, and I didn't say anything.

When I am thinking back, I feel some of the things she has said in the past have been a little distorted, saying in conversation "oh when you said you liked this...", and I have replied saying, "that wasn't me", and she has gotten surprised, stating that she was absolutely sure I had. In the past she has gotten very easily offended, petty even, thinking she has sent cards when she hasn't, annoyed with me etc. I am now thinking has her behaviour been this way, because she has a distorted version of events.

I have thought in the past it was just slip ups, which everyone makes occasionally. Only, it felt like a piece of a jigsaw this time; it was a full false memory.

Can this all be attributed to stress, or tiredness? It is concerning me because my friend who has epilepsy, and is on strong medication doesn't do any of this. My sister does suffer from depression, and is possibly on medication for this. She says she isn't a great sleeper as well, often waking early in the morning.

Dsis works fulltime, is intelligent, has her brain challenged regularly, and keeps busy. She is 40.

Is all of this normal? I'm now beginning to question her version of events, and recollection when she tells me things.

I don't really know what to do, if anything. Do I mention this to dm, her dp, to see if they have noticed anything. I wouldn't want to go behind her back. If I mention it to her, she may get upset, and offended.

Does anybody have experience of this?

My sister does this all the time. She is a massive narcissist and she reinvents history to give herself a bigger role in it. Speaking to her, you'd think she'd been to Glastonbury and to raves and that she'd dated a whole bunch of my friends - she hasn't. It was me who did all those things, but in her head, it's her. It's really weird and feels like she just thinks she's entitled to my identity but I try and ignore it.

ALittleAlarmed · 05/08/2024 11:55

Finlandia86 · 05/08/2024 11:39

I would share your concerns with your mother and both of you start keeping a dated record of examples.
If after a month or two this seems to be a significant pattern, it would be worth raising your concern with your sister and suggest she visits the GP. Do it when her partner is present, so she feels she has somebody in her corner and hopefully won’t get too upset. He may have noticed similar issues and might support the idea of getting it checked out.

Thank you, I will do that. I am so scared to go behind her back, but at the same time I wouldn't want to upset her. I don't know if depression and tiredness could cause this. DM said last week that Dsis spent an entire day in bed recently. However on the other hand, she loves to socialise, make plans, and go out for meals, etc.

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drane · 05/08/2024 11:53

Goldcushions2 · 05/08/2024 11:29

All you can do with someone like this is keep them on a very strict "information diet".

Tell them NOTHING of consequence regarding your life, family, job, children.

Unfortunately I believe it to be a type of mental condition, a false reality that can be very damaging to have in your life.

If it was a bit of harmless confusion it is one thing, but when it is someone who is prone to retelling, quoting you, it is dangerous and can cause damage.

I have had someone like that in my family for years and when I cottoned on to it, any time I heard anything that she said from her directly or indirectly I would ask was that "Hilary news?".....versus the truth and actual truth. It landed.

This is the OP's sister, that she's worried about. It doesn't sound remotely similar to your Hillary - cutting the sister out is not the answer

VividQuoter · 05/08/2024 11:52

could be the way her brain works. In jumps instead linear consequence....we are still nowhere as science knowing much

ALittleAlarmed · 05/08/2024 11:51

@WitchyBits thank you for your post, and so sorry about your sleep apnea. That must be tough.
My sister doesn't have it, her partner does though, and even he hasn't been this way. It has only recently been treated as well.

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ALittleAlarmed · 05/08/2024 11:43

dropoutin · 05/08/2024 11:32

It could be perfectly innocent and for any of the reasons given here, but I've come to realise that some people do this sort of thing on purpose, as way of manipulating people or situations. Your saying how she has gotten offended and upset about being challenged rings alarm bells for me.

I have known at least one person who, when challenged clearly and consistently on it, providing evidence of what actually happened and refusing to back down, promptly stopped doing it. Which meant they must on some level have known they were doing it.

Yes in the past she seemed to exaggerate situations, easily offended. We have always put it down to her being a little petty. However, she has been deeply hurt by the injustices she has believed that have happened. She has had differing, slightly distorted recollections in the past, but this seems to have worsened. Sometimes Dsis's memory is good, and she is kind, and has a good heart. I don't believe it to be manipulation. I really do not know what is going on here.

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WitchyBits · 05/08/2024 11:42

Op, is your sister a snorer? What sort of Siri issues does she have?

I was diagnosed with sleep apnea last year after a life time of snoring and all my life I've been a really vivid dreamer, would often get confused with dreams and real life as a lot of my dreams were just incredibly vivid but boring mundane stuff. I got into trouble multiple times for thinking dream stuff was real and asking people this that they clearly had no idea about . I got diagnosed with OSA and honestly since starting the cpap treatment my recollections of real life events is SO much better in a daily basis. My dreams are more like what everybody typically dreams now, ie, they fade quickly and I don't remember most of them. This isn't common with people with sleep apnea, as you never fully go into a deep sleep. It could be worth asking her about her sleep issues? If her brain is constantly trying to wake her up as she is having pauses in her breathing this could explain a lot and it's not always linked to snoring. Obstructive sleep apnea is linked to snoring but central sleep apnea is not.

SussexBonfireViking · 05/08/2024 11:41

ALittleAlarmed · 05/08/2024 11:19

That seems a more understandable mistake, your DM would have gotten a shock, which could have understandably affected her memory.

but every time she argues with me to the point of complete exasperation.

You'd think she would realise that we have had this conversation many many times

Finlandia86 · 05/08/2024 11:39

I would share your concerns with your mother and both of you start keeping a dated record of examples.
If after a month or two this seems to be a significant pattern, it would be worth raising your concern with your sister and suggest she visits the GP. Do it when her partner is present, so she feels she has somebody in her corner and hopefully won’t get too upset. He may have noticed similar issues and might support the idea of getting it checked out.

ALittleAlarmed · 05/08/2024 11:36

ladycarlotta · 05/08/2024 11:29

I would be quite worried, it sounds like the confabulation I see in relatives who have dementia but I would imagine other conditions might cause it too. Essentially embroidering on facts or filling in the total voids in her memory with things that seem credible. It is perfectly likely that she does not even know she is doing this.
That or she is creating genuinely false memories which is also a worry.
Sorry, OP, I'm aware I'm not being very optimistic, and hopefully it's nothing, but I would be trying to get this investigated if I could.

Thank you so much for your reply. Exactly, and I genuinely don't believe she is doing this on purpose. We are on good terms, and it wasn't a false memory to cause trouble iyswim. One of our parents who died, had vasular dementia, but this was in later life, and I have read that this isn't genetic? Wouldn't she be too young?
I am a very intuitive person, and when it happened I felt a deep pang in my stomach. It felt wrong.

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KreedKafer · 05/08/2024 11:34

Goldcushions2 · 05/08/2024 11:29

All you can do with someone like this is keep them on a very strict "information diet".

Tell them NOTHING of consequence regarding your life, family, job, children.

Unfortunately I believe it to be a type of mental condition, a false reality that can be very damaging to have in your life.

If it was a bit of harmless confusion it is one thing, but when it is someone who is prone to retelling, quoting you, it is dangerous and can cause damage.

I have had someone like that in my family for years and when I cottoned on to it, any time I heard anything that she said from her directly or indirectly I would ask was that "Hilary news?".....versus the truth and actual truth. It landed.

I don't think this is the same thing at all.

dropoutin · 05/08/2024 11:32

It could be perfectly innocent and for any of the reasons given here, but I've come to realise that some people do this sort of thing on purpose, as way of manipulating people or situations. Your saying how she has gotten offended and upset about being challenged rings alarm bells for me.

I have known at least one person who, when challenged clearly and consistently on it, providing evidence of what actually happened and refusing to back down, promptly stopped doing it. Which meant they must on some level have known they were doing it.

ladycarlotta · 05/08/2024 11:31

Goldcushions2 · 05/08/2024 11:29

All you can do with someone like this is keep them on a very strict "information diet".

Tell them NOTHING of consequence regarding your life, family, job, children.

Unfortunately I believe it to be a type of mental condition, a false reality that can be very damaging to have in your life.

If it was a bit of harmless confusion it is one thing, but when it is someone who is prone to retelling, quoting you, it is dangerous and can cause damage.

I have had someone like that in my family for years and when I cottoned on to it, any time I heard anything that she said from her directly or indirectly I would ask was that "Hilary news?".....versus the truth and actual truth. It landed.

this doesn't sound like the same scenario at all.

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