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ALittleAlarmed · 05/08/2024 10:55

...to be worried.

I mentioned to my sister about something that I did last week. She elaborated on this with a whole story, "oh yes, when you told me, I mentioned it to another relative, and I think she went there deliberately to try to bump into you..." The only thing is, I never told her I was even going there! We hadn't chatted for a couple of weeks. Sister's dp was sitting there, I got a bit of a shock, and I didn't say anything.

When I am thinking back, I feel some of the things she has said in the past have been a little distorted, saying in conversation "oh when you said you liked this...", and I have replied saying, "that wasn't me", and she has gotten surprised, stating that she was absolutely sure I had. In the past she has gotten very easily offended, petty even, thinking she has sent cards when she hasn't, annoyed with me etc. I am now thinking has her behaviour been this way, because she has a distorted version of events.

I have thought in the past it was just slip ups, which everyone makes occasionally. Only, it felt like a piece of a jigsaw this time; it was a full false memory.

Can this all be attributed to stress, or tiredness? It is concerning me because my friend who has epilepsy, and is on strong medication doesn't do any of this. My sister does suffer from depression, and is possibly on medication for this. She says she isn't a great sleeper as well, often waking early in the morning.

Dsis works fulltime, is intelligent, has her brain challenged regularly, and keeps busy. She is 40.

Is all of this normal? I'm now beginning to question her version of events, and recollection when she tells me things.

I don't really know what to do, if anything. Do I mention this to dm, her dp, to see if they have noticed anything. I wouldn't want to go behind her back. If I mention it to her, she may get upset, and offended.

Does anybody have experience of this?

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knittingandminim · 10/08/2024 03:02

ALittleAlarmed · 05/08/2024 11:36

Thank you so much for your reply. Exactly, and I genuinely don't believe she is doing this on purpose. We are on good terms, and it wasn't a false memory to cause trouble iyswim. One of our parents who died, had vasular dementia, but this was in later life, and I have read that this isn't genetic? Wouldn't she be too young?
I am a very intuitive person, and when it happened I felt a deep pang in my stomach. It felt wrong.

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This type of confusion and distorted thinking/speech can be a symptom of psychosis as well. Some people with depression can develop psychosis.

MustWeDoThis · 10/08/2024 00:47

ALittleAlarmed · 05/08/2024 10:55

...to be worried.

I mentioned to my sister about something that I did last week. She elaborated on this with a whole story, "oh yes, when you told me, I mentioned it to another relative, and I think she went there deliberately to try to bump into you..." The only thing is, I never told her I was even going there! We hadn't chatted for a couple of weeks. Sister's dp was sitting there, I got a bit of a shock, and I didn't say anything.

When I am thinking back, I feel some of the things she has said in the past have been a little distorted, saying in conversation "oh when you said you liked this...", and I have replied saying, "that wasn't me", and she has gotten surprised, stating that she was absolutely sure I had. In the past she has gotten very easily offended, petty even, thinking she has sent cards when she hasn't, annoyed with me etc. I am now thinking has her behaviour been this way, because she has a distorted version of events.

I have thought in the past it was just slip ups, which everyone makes occasionally. Only, it felt like a piece of a jigsaw this time; it was a full false memory.

Can this all be attributed to stress, or tiredness? It is concerning me because my friend who has epilepsy, and is on strong medication doesn't do any of this. My sister does suffer from depression, and is possibly on medication for this. She says she isn't a great sleeper as well, often waking early in the morning.

Dsis works fulltime, is intelligent, has her brain challenged regularly, and keeps busy. She is 40.

Is all of this normal? I'm now beginning to question her version of events, and recollection when she tells me things.

I don't really know what to do, if anything. Do I mention this to dm, her dp, to see if they have noticed anything. I wouldn't want to go behind her back. If I mention it to her, she may get upset, and offended.

Does anybody have experience of this?

Sounds like ADD and a side effect of her medication plus the depression - It can severely effect memory. I've sworn I've done something and become upset when challenged, but it turns out I did indeed forget to do something. I had thought about doing the task so much, that I thought I had done it. I have ADD and a few other mental health conditions.

Just be patient with her.

Paininmybummum · 07/08/2024 22:18

I am nearly 50 and have recently been diagnosed with Autism/Adhd. I'm a Huge 'masker', everyone always thought I loved social events, was always popular, but didn't have any really close friends. I have ocd tendencies, and when I'm tired and over think things, my brain convinces me that I've done them/said/seen things....eg sending thank you cards/Christmas cards etc, I've thought about it, even down to what I want to say, my brain then convinces me that I have actually done this, then between the autistic fear of "argh what will happen' when it is pointed out I haven't and the fear of being wrong, the fear that everyone will hate me/leave me etc for 'lying' more stories come spilling out. It's awful, it's like you have no control over what you are perceiving as real. Anyway, my family now understand where some of the stories I've told over the years have come from and are a lot more understanding, and it now just gets laughed about.

Is it possible your sister could be neurodiverse? Combine that with depression, lack of sleep and perimenopause and it's a toxic combination.... sending love ❤️

Incakewetrust · 07/08/2024 00:12

My MIL invented an entire scenario that included a marriage falling apart, desperate bids to fix it and a trip abroad...none of which happened. She was so invested though and spoke of it all like it was fact.

DH and I were pretty alarmed so now we're just keeping an eye on her mental health and behaviour and looking out for anything that seems abnormal.
There's not been anything since but if it happens again, we'll speak to her and then the next point of call is the dr.

Atethehalloweenchocs · 06/08/2024 23:55

It’s a known psychological condition that people confabulate when they dissociate, dissociation is associated with quite a good number of both personality disorders (borderline, narcissism etc) and mental disorders (bipolar, schizophrenia etc)

It is also well established that dissociation is almost universal, and that tiredness and stress can also be a cause so you may see it in people who are otherwise mentally healthy.

Atethehalloweenchocs · 06/08/2024 23:53

Memory is very fallible and it is not uncommon for people to remember things differently - last time this came up I quoted a researcher which upset some people so wont go there, but it is fairly well established in psychology that memory is not massively reliable. Why do people misremember? Could be tiredness, stress or being preoccupied. Or it could be that she has main character syndrome and has to relate everything to herself. Or she could be a fantasist - my mother was like this and my sister is very similar - will take things on and claim she did them, even when you do. If it is the last 2 though, it is probably obvious in other ways.

Sakuem · 06/08/2024 22:56

WitchyBits · 05/08/2024 11:42

Op, is your sister a snorer? What sort of Siri issues does she have?

I was diagnosed with sleep apnea last year after a life time of snoring and all my life I've been a really vivid dreamer, would often get confused with dreams and real life as a lot of my dreams were just incredibly vivid but boring mundane stuff. I got into trouble multiple times for thinking dream stuff was real and asking people this that they clearly had no idea about . I got diagnosed with OSA and honestly since starting the cpap treatment my recollections of real life events is SO much better in a daily basis. My dreams are more like what everybody typically dreams now, ie, they fade quickly and I don't remember most of them. This isn't common with people with sleep apnea, as you never fully go into a deep sleep. It could be worth asking her about her sleep issues? If her brain is constantly trying to wake her up as she is having pauses in her breathing this could explain a lot and it's not always linked to snoring. Obstructive sleep apnea is linked to snoring but central sleep apnea is not.

I sometimes also wonder was this real or was it in a dream and am a light sleeper, have insomnia and tired in the mornings. That sounds interesting, I hadn't known that about sleep apnea, so worth getting it checked out. As effects sleep quality and memory/memories.

MayNov · 06/08/2024 19:58

It’s a known psychological condition that people confabulate when they dissociate, dissociation is associated with quite a good number of both personality disorders (borderline, narcissism etc) and mental disorders (bipolar, schizophrenia etc) Does she have any other symptoms? A mild OCD and depression could often be a symptom of PTSD that comes with dissociation. Has there been anything in here life could have caused her to have symptoms of PTSD?

1974devon · 06/08/2024 19:16

I had a similar worry about a family member..have no update so not helpful.
She is Late 40s and would talk about something happening a.couple of weeks ago and it would have happened 2 years ago...or talking about something from 2 years ago that actually happened a week or so ago
And yet she'd argue she was right when everyone else knew she wasn't.
If.it was happening to me I'd be a bit worried I think

Polarnight · 05/08/2024 16:20

diddl · 05/08/2024 14:52

When we're seated and not even left the terminal yet, my sister says - oh you can't open the window. I gave her a withering look and said do you want to die? Then explained why you can't open plane windows. We were still on the ground and Mum didn't hear any of this.

I told her about it after the holiday. That sister asked if the windows open. Mum thought it was hilarious.

When I read that though, it doesn't read to me as if your sister actually asked if the windows opened.

I mean tbh that's the sort of stupid thing I might say without thinking!

Strangely I was there and that is what she meant- she wanted to open it.

Bronzer · 05/08/2024 16:11

ALittleAlarmed · 05/08/2024 15:26

I can understand rewriting past events, as my dm does the same thing. I believe this to be quite common. Memories can distort when it is long in the past I suppose.

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Yes, I can see how it’s easy to do when it’s a memory from a long time ago. I think some of it is self preservation too. Rose tinted glasses maybe.

Mil often changes/adds details to stories or things that have happened recently too. She is adamant it happened that way.

ALittleAlarmed · 05/08/2024 15:26

Bronzer · 05/08/2024 14:55

Dhs mum is similar to this.

She often rewrite stories to fit her preferred version of events. The scary thing is, she really seems to believe what she is saying.

She rewrites dh & his 2 siblings childhood, usually to make herself come across better.
Seemingly mundane things like ‘I always cooked for you kids’
Dh and his siblings have all privately said this is far from the truth, they’d regularly go to their nans most nights as it was the only way they’d get their tea or she’d send them to the corner shop to get their own because she ‘didn’t want to mess up her kitchen’ according to dhs older brother.

She’s been like this for years & years, so it’s not a recent thing or solely age related.

I can understand rewriting past events, as my dm does the same thing. I believe this to be quite common. Memories can distort when it is long in the past I suppose.

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Bronzer · 05/08/2024 14:55

Dhs mum is similar to this.

She often rewrite stories to fit her preferred version of events. The scary thing is, she really seems to believe what she is saying.

She rewrites dh & his 2 siblings childhood, usually to make herself come across better.
Seemingly mundane things like ‘I always cooked for you kids’
Dh and his siblings have all privately said this is far from the truth, they’d regularly go to their nans most nights as it was the only way they’d get their tea or she’d send them to the corner shop to get their own because she ‘didn’t want to mess up her kitchen’ according to dhs older brother.

She’s been like this for years & years, so it’s not a recent thing or solely age related.

diddl · 05/08/2024 14:52

When we're seated and not even left the terminal yet, my sister says - oh you can't open the window. I gave her a withering look and said do you want to die? Then explained why you can't open plane windows. We were still on the ground and Mum didn't hear any of this.

I told her about it after the holiday. That sister asked if the windows open. Mum thought it was hilarious.

When I read that though, it doesn't read to me as if your sister actually asked if the windows opened.

I mean tbh that's the sort of stupid thing I might say without thinking!

ALittleAlarmed · 05/08/2024 14:49

LostTheMarble · 05/08/2024 14:36

I’ve known two people who did this often enough for it to be noticeable. First was one of my parents. The misremembering or exaggeration of actual events seemed to be about control or simply embarrassing whoever they were speaking about. They did go on to develop early onset Alzheimer’s.

Second was my ex. Has autistic traits and would argue the sky is green and grass is purple if that’s what he’s convinced himself is true. I have told him things and he’d reiterate them to me but with certain details changed - ‘yeah that time your friend deliberately pushed you into the road’ ‘no, that didn’t happen, my friend fell whilst we were out walking??’. Then every time that friend was mentioned he said ‘oh the one that pushed you into the road?’. It was bizarre and made me question my own memory of things (considering the first example I gave was the last thing I needed).

Oh no, I am really sorry about your parent. That must be tough.

I have also noticed dsis is a little inappropriate at times. For example, when a close relative had just died she acted like nothing had happened, even sent a whatsapp joke with a picture of a halloween skeleton not many days after; it was a bit strange. She has since sent a picture of that persons grave to another relative who is dying. The person had asked previously as she wanted to visit, but this doesn't sit well with me. When a relative was in hospital with a weak swallowing reflex, dsis brought claggy foods in that would be difficult to swallow. She doesn't pick up when people are unwell, and just seems to minimise. I wonder if it is a form of denial, trying to act like everything is normal, because cannot face up to reality? She is caring, would do anything for you, it is not malicious. I know she had offended people at work, and recently fell out with a friend after speaking before she thought. She told me later that she shouldn't have made the comment, and is doing her best to be more tactful.

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LostTheMarble · 05/08/2024 14:36

I’ve known two people who did this often enough for it to be noticeable. First was one of my parents. The misremembering or exaggeration of actual events seemed to be about control or simply embarrassing whoever they were speaking about. They did go on to develop early onset Alzheimer’s.

Second was my ex. Has autistic traits and would argue the sky is green and grass is purple if that’s what he’s convinced himself is true. I have told him things and he’d reiterate them to me but with certain details changed - ‘yeah that time your friend deliberately pushed you into the road’ ‘no, that didn’t happen, my friend fell whilst we were out walking??’. Then every time that friend was mentioned he said ‘oh the one that pushed you into the road?’. It was bizarre and made me question my own memory of things (considering the first example I gave was the last thing I needed).

Lancelottie · 05/08/2024 14:27

DS adds details that never happened, as often to his detriment as his advantage. He has autism and fairly severe OCD, and I think the churning trapped thoughts produce their own 'reality'. For instance, when he came off the road in his crappy old car, he told us he was speeding and should have known better, really berated himself for it -- but his black box said he was doing 25 mph.

I suspect I do it too when stressed or sleep deprived. I'd be a shit witness in court.

ALittleAlarmed · 05/08/2024 14:27

Thank you @LostittoBostik I think there may be alittle more to it with Dsis than getting mixed up etc. I have met many people like that, and this isn't that.

She isnt ND. I am worried, and i'm suspecting some sort of MH psychologal illness; I hope i'm wrong.

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LostittoBostik · 05/08/2024 14:21

Polarnight · 05/08/2024 14:15

My mum always did this. It was so annoying. You tell her something that happened and she'd misremeber it and add to it that she was there and how funny it was. It was annoying rather than anything else.

One such example being - we got on a plane as teens. We weren't frequent flyers and hadn't flown since early childhood.

When we're seated and not even left the terminal yet, my sister says - oh you can't open the window. I gave her a withering look and said do you want to die? Then explained why you can't open plane windows. We were still on the ground and Mum didn't hear any of this.

I told her about it after the holiday. That sister asked if the windows open. Mum thought it was hilarious.

Later on Mum told the story as follows :

Remember when we were flying and over the mountains mid flight your sister said - it's stuffy in here can you open the window and we had to tell her why?! Then collapses laughing - so funny she wanted the windows open mid flight over the mountains.

No matter how many times I told her that is not what happened and that she didn't even hear it and we were in the ground...she insisted I was wrong. She was only 50s at the time.

She did it with many things. So many other stories she took as her own, embellished and swore she remembered what never happened.

I don't know what it is.

This is the sort of thing I meant @ALittleAlarmed - maybe the language in my post was too strong, but I meant this sort of adopting stuff as truth. It's very common.

Polarnight · 05/08/2024 14:15

My mum always did this. It was so annoying. You tell her something that happened and she'd misremeber it and add to it that she was there and how funny it was. It was annoying rather than anything else.

One such example being - we got on a plane as teens. We weren't frequent flyers and hadn't flown since early childhood.

When we're seated and not even left the terminal yet, my sister says - oh you can't open the window. I gave her a withering look and said do you want to die? Then explained why you can't open plane windows. We were still on the ground and Mum didn't hear any of this.

I told her about it after the holiday. That sister asked if the windows open. Mum thought it was hilarious.

Later on Mum told the story as follows :

Remember when we were flying and over the mountains mid flight your sister said - it's stuffy in here can you open the window and we had to tell her why?! Then collapses laughing - so funny she wanted the windows open mid flight over the mountains.

No matter how many times I told her that is not what happened and that she didn't even hear it and we were in the ground...she insisted I was wrong. She was only 50s at the time.

She did it with many things. So many other stories she took as her own, embellished and swore she remembered what never happened.

I don't know what it is.

Nospacedilemma · 05/08/2024 14:14

I would say something to her partner and then also to her, especially if he agrees. Probably nothing, but there are some brain illnesses/problems that can do this so, depending on the partner's/her response, it would be worth a trip to the doctor.

Pantaloons99 · 05/08/2024 14:13

I'm going to come out with my favourite line - I think I've used this about 20 times now - but my son who is Neurodivergent Autistic/ADHD does this.

He is not an intentional liar. He's incredibly truthful and seeks truth. But there is often distortion on how something played out, for example oh when you told me x,y,z mum. I'm like no I didn't say that, what happened was x,y,z. I see he really does remember it being said and isn't lying.

My son might also say he just replied to my question when he didn't even speak. In his mind he answered me and thought he had verbalised it when he hadn't.

ALittleAlarmed · 05/08/2024 14:11

torturedpoet13 · 05/08/2024 13:58

My sister does this and she has adhd/autism. She has a lot of false memories

Thanks, not convinced it is this.

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SmileyHappyPeopleInTheSun · 05/08/2024 14:10

Ooh yes, that's my sister also-retelling something but from her pov & as if she was there!

MIL and DH do that as well - but if it's recent on questioning it does come out they weren't there - over time and retelling that goes and they really seem to think they were there.

Though even when they are there the stories can be so far from reality you don't recognise event. I was with MIL in crowded London pub when handbags kept getting pulled back in crowd- she laughed at me clutching mine to front- next place we find her bag had money taken. Few year later up at IL she telling story and it's so dramatic - turned to FIL with some comment - and he say you were there - it took ages to work out it was that event so little was what I remembered.

ALittleAlarmed · 05/08/2024 14:09

LostittoBostik · 05/08/2024 14:03

Is she not just making up stuff for something to say and then trying to cover for herself? Some people are just compulsive bullshitters. That seems more likely.

No, she isn't a CB.

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