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To think there's got to be at least a couple of MNers involved in the rioting ?

211 replies

IdontlikePinaColada · 04/08/2024 20:30

Based in the broad views seen here, I can't believe that there isn't someone who is involved either passively or actively.
If you are one of those, would you like to explain why?

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Mrsdyna · 05/08/2024 09:59

IncompleteSenten · 05/08/2024 09:57

When you say you're not allowed, what happens? Are the posts deleted?

Yes, it literally just happened to me.

Mrsdyna · 05/08/2024 09:58

BeachParty · 05/08/2024 09:46

Sorry, but I think that's a load of crap.
On here is about the only place where you can have 'dissenting views" unlike other online spaces.

That's just not true. My comment was literally just deleted from another thread despite being factual.

IncompleteSenten · 05/08/2024 09:57

Mrsdyna · 05/08/2024 09:22

The problem with finding someone like that here is that Mumsnet is left wing, on par with Reddit. You're not allowed dissenting views here, you have to toe the line.

(Unless it's about trans rights, but I guess that's because it's starting to actually affect them and their middle class families...)

When you say you're not allowed, what happens? Are the posts deleted?

IncompleteSenten · 05/08/2024 09:57

I'd be surprised, the footage seems to show it's overwhelmingly men that are out there having a lovely time enjoying smashing shit up and threatening people.
Mumsnet is a predominantly female site so I'd say it's unlikely although obviously not impossible.

stronglatte · 05/08/2024 09:54

Also- the woman holding the hand of the girl as she shouted out racial expletives, whilst her mother smiled proudly even with woman yelling at her asking her why - I am going to believe she's not on Mumsnet on.

stronglatte · 05/08/2024 09:49

I'm going to stay believing this is a place where nobody would condone a member of the police being pushed off their motorbike and kicked from behind .. by a woman .

BeachParty · 05/08/2024 09:46

Mrsdyna · 05/08/2024 09:22

The problem with finding someone like that here is that Mumsnet is left wing, on par with Reddit. You're not allowed dissenting views here, you have to toe the line.

(Unless it's about trans rights, but I guess that's because it's starting to actually affect them and their middle class families...)

Sorry, but I think that's a load of crap.
On here is about the only place where you can have 'dissenting views" unlike other online spaces.

DonnaGiovanna · 05/08/2024 09:22

Scammersarescum · 04/08/2024 22:51

I was going to riot, but I got distracted by a massive salad.

Joking aside, I doubt there us any crossover.

Same here 😂. More seriously, my town had one of these last night but thankfully it seemed that the violent contingent was relatively small (probably mostly arrested in Bristol the night before). I did consider going to stand with the counter protestors but had a feeling it would fizzle out here and it did.

Mrsdyna · 05/08/2024 09:22

The problem with finding someone like that here is that Mumsnet is left wing, on par with Reddit. You're not allowed dissenting views here, you have to toe the line.

(Unless it's about trans rights, but I guess that's because it's starting to actually affect them and their middle class families...)

MojoMoon · 05/08/2024 09:09

As a popular site, this forum definitely sees lots of bots/fake posters astroturfing (eg a fake grassroots movement). The timing of a flood of messages on a specific topic, similar language, repeated messaging shows that there is organised effort on touch paper issues (immigration, trans, Just Stop Oil, cyclists - whatever they are current trying to whip up feelings about).
So I doubt many of the posters who has posted awful things in the last week are rioting because I suspect that most of them don't exist.

All sorts of popular forums see this astroturfing - it's not just on Twitter and TikTok. They want you to believe it is a mainstream opinion to hold and to normalise it - move the Overton Window to the right.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

Overton window - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

pizzaHeart · 05/08/2024 09:09

Babbahabba · 04/08/2024 22:56

More like to be one of the many abusive husbands/partners that so many desperate women start threads about in Relationships. Violent thugs are overwhelmingly male.

I agree with this ^
I think it’s a very male dominated minority and I doubt any of them on MN (even though there a few male contributors there or at least it’s what they claim).
On a personal level I’m sure none of my or DH’s friends took part in riots.

Rainbowsponge · 05/08/2024 08:58

Yeah I can imagine a few throwing Pom bears and stopping throwing planks of wood to check AIBU

CranfordScones · 05/08/2024 08:57

They don't strike me as the mnet sort.

Down the pub custody suite, I can't quite see the conversation going, "My round lads, but I've got an active thread on mumsnet, just need to check my AIBU response. Back in a mo...".

cupcaske123 · 05/08/2024 08:49

SallyWD · 05/08/2024 08:47

There were lots of women at the Leeds protest I attended, films of that woman screaming "Pakis out" with her child in tow yesterday. I saw women in the footage of the hotel riots yesterday, spitting at policeman.
Yes, there are more men but don't underestimate the number of women getting involved.

People underestimate how many women are involved in right wing politics.

SallyWD · 05/08/2024 08:47

Fifferfefferfeff · 05/08/2024 00:19

Mumsnet isn't very left wing at all, though not far right either . I'd say centre-right, but with a mix of views right across the left-right spectrum.

I doubt many rioters are here, though, as violence is mainly a male pursuit, whereas Mumsnet is mostly female.

There were lots of women at the Leeds protest I attended, films of that woman screaming "Pakis out" with her child in tow yesterday. I saw women in the footage of the hotel riots yesterday, spitting at policeman.
Yes, there are more men but don't underestimate the number of women getting involved.

SallyWD · 05/08/2024 08:37

RedToothBrush · 05/08/2024 08:12

It has to be said, that's not the worst tweet he put out.

Hopefully he will be dealt with.

Laurence Fox makes me feel sick. A couple of days ago he was actually telling people not to be violent which was good but I thought "You're partly responsible for all of this". Since then he's shared yet more hateful stuff about Muslims. Then he posted something yesterday about "difficult times" but it was him having some fancy wine and cheese (or something) in his posh garden in the countryside. I thought, there he is living it up whilst brown people are getting beaten up after his hateful words.
His last post before bedtime was "Fight, fight, fight" this is after the scenes of hotels full of immigrants being sent on fire, Brown people not being allowed to drive down the road, people being pulled out of cars and attacked.
It absolutely makes me both sickened and furious.
His fiance is black or mixed race, isn't she? How can she be with with him. Does he not understand or care that people are attacking all Brown people so he's essentially making his fiance a target too?!

RedToothBrush · 05/08/2024 08:12

It has to be said, that's not the worst tweet he put out.

Hopefully he will be dealt with.

RedToothBrush · 05/08/2024 08:09

Well....

Is inciting racial hatred and rioting on social media a crime in the UK? Yes. Yes it is.

There's at least one prominent individual who is likely to be in trouble....

...oh dear. Whoops.

The secret barrister
Free legal advice:

You don’t have to attend a riot to be prosecuted for conspiracy to riot. You don’t have to be present at a terrorist incident to be guilty of encouraging it.

A lot of Twitter warriors will be getting some unpleasant knocks on the door over the coming weeks.

To think there's got to be at least a couple of MNers involved in the rioting ?
Sporadica · 05/08/2024 02:58

ghostyslovesheets · 05/08/2024 00:00

You leave your sisters because they won’t be forced to fight and die for the taliban - not sure why you don’t understand that while life is shit for woman in Afghanistan it’s deadly for young men - and most don’t come here by plane they travel for months being abused and starved because they think the UK is safe - I mean, apart from seeing British forces attack the taliban first hand I’m not sure why they think that?

The Taliban used conscription when they were in power in the '90s and into the '00s. It ended when they lost power in the aftermath of the 2001 invasion, and today - even with the Taliban back in power - Afghanistan's military is all volunteer.

BeachParty · 05/08/2024 02:52

Guavafish1 · 04/08/2024 23:08

I agree.

See there is a lot of white supremacy on this site

Yep and it needs calling out every. Single. Time.
I don't care if you (general you) think you're "being cancelled" 🙄
The hatred and bigotry being spouted online needs to stop. It's having RL consequences.

JennyForeigner · 05/08/2024 02:47

Or perhaps, Andrew Tate.

JennyForeigner · 05/08/2024 02:45

Unlikely, I come from part of the country which has a tiny but dreadful EDL/BNP core vote (and people who would join a riot if they saw a moment for one). The core is far more concentrated than you would think. Prevent know them, their kids by and large get as far away from them as they can, and women are rare and disappear if a marriage fails.

Which is not to say that they don't know how to use an online platform, but they'll all be down the GB News comments. There isn't crossover between rioters in Sunderland and the extremely online modern young nasties. IMHO they are still gravitating to Farage.

DreamTheMoors · 05/08/2024 02:28

RosaRoja · 05/08/2024 00:17

When even The Daily Mail calls it race riots, you know these are far-right riots and not “protests”.

We’ve just had elections. You don’t like the results? Wait till the next ones, write to your MP, to the papers (the DM generally salivates for such stories) and so on. You don’t torch buildings with people inside.

You don’t torch buildings with people inside.

The people torched inside the Twin Towers on 9/11 would like a word.
Well, they would if they could.

There are people in this world without consciences, @RosaRojaand they walk among us. They did on 9/11, they do today and they will forevermore.
I wish there was a way to identify them - like a light that would flash over their heads or their hair would grow in polka-dotted or anything else similarly identifying.
May someday there’ll be a psychological test or even a simple blood test.
Medical science is expanding every day.
I have hope.

Bellsandthistle · 05/08/2024 02:17

@VerySadCase indeed. Going by some of the posts I’ve seen you involved with, I’m not going to go by your word on what is racist or far-right and what isn’t.

VerySadCase · 05/08/2024 02:03

Bellsandthistle · 05/08/2024 02:01

I doubt there are many mums out there rioting 😂
Maybe I’ve been lucky, but I haven’t seen the racist or far-right posts on here, either.

You have indeed been lucky then. They have been out in force.