The Home Secretary is not telling the truth about rioters 'paying the price' ...

Because Theresa May did5 license them and sold them off - they are now only in NI.

Who’s that to?

No, most illegal migrants are visa overstayers who have come in legally on work or student visas and then not left. Others come in specifically to work in the black/grey market (drugs, prostitution, nail bars, takeaways, etc) either willingly or by force, and only a small % are failed asylum seekers, but majority of illegal migrants never see a boat.

But how can one know what a new arrival’s circumstances are without spending time looking into them?

I was given a stern response by a poster who was apparently exasperated by the lack of understanding about the difference between asylum seekers and illegal immigrants.

I just want to understand how the demarcation works in practice.

We needs quicker processing - I have young people I work with waiting 5+ years for a home office decision - one even missed out on starting uni because they had not had a decision - the previous government spent way too much time and money on crowd pleasing Rwanda shite and not enough on speeding up the system- no one wants to sit in a hotel room for years with no education and no work - this is why people DO go underground and work illegally - often being exploited in the process

This government should be allowing the use of water cannons as this would surely be a deterrent to stop the thugs rioting. Why is the goverment so weak to allow this method!.

Of course she is not being dishonest. She is saying people will be prosecuted.
I rather think you have an anti labour agenda to suggest such a thing.
What would you suggest? Let the looters, arsonists and violent thugs off scot free because they are using a wave of public dissatisfaction with how the tories managed immigration? This government has only been in power five minutes and nobody is even waiting to see what their strategies will achieve and think mob rule is a better plan.

There has been some confusion previously as to whether it was asylum seekers or economic migrants that we were not supposed to like.

This perhaps was not helped by the previous Prime Minister being an economic migrant.

This new government has returned more failed asylum seekers in the last month, than the tory government managed in the previous year.

Really? Where does this come from?

Fair play to the government if it’s true.

The largest group of benefit recipients (over 12million people) are pensioners.

Are you suggesting they should go out and work?

The second largest group of benefit recipients are those in work. I am not sure how they would come off benefits and into work? Well unless you are suggesting that employers should pay them a proper wage?

Was your post just a demonstration of a lack of knowledge of the benefits system?

But every arrival is an asylum seeker, aren’t they?

I can’t believe people land at Dover and declare themselves to be illegal immigrants.

Whether the applicant is a genuine refugee or an economic migrant can’t be known until after processing and all the associated costs. What am I not getting?

I do want to be very clear that I think the subject of immigration is a bogus issue for rioters and Reform agitators. But honesty is always better.

Its simply not the question of this AIBU though - which is whether the Home Secretary can honestly make such a statement that those involved will pay the price given she nor the government has any role.
She is announcing an intention for the government to do all it can to ensure as many as possible are arrested and prosecuted, thereby ensuring as many as possible "pay the price". It isn't dishonest for her to state that everyone will pay the price, it's rhetoric.

Suella, is that you?

And when this was government policy- cut the number of people doing the paperwork, house them in a tory party donors hotels, redirect the money there from processing the claims- where were the riots protests,

This new government has returned more failed asylum seekers in the last month, than the tory government managed in the previous year. The policy is not to enrich their mates at the cost of taxpayers.

How much will need to be spent repairing the damage done by these yobs, and paying the emergency services for trying to keep the rest of us safe? If they hadn't cost the country money, then you might have a point, as it is, the cost of running public services, including housing immigrants is very far from these fascists thoughts.

If they are claiming asylum then they are not an illegal migrant, until the point at which their claim has been decided and only then if they don't have grounds to remain in the UK, which is a small proportion of asylum applications.

We don’t need an additional supply of labour. We need fit and healthy people to come off benefits and into work. Benefits should be for the genuinely ill or disabled, not seen as a career choice.

For asylum seekers, yes. For illegal immigrants no.

How is it people still don't know the difference between illegal migrants, legal migrants and asylum seekers when it's apparently the biggest issue the country has ever faced?

Then they aren’t illegal are they - they are asylum seekers- who have a right to be here while their claim is processed - maybe invest in speeding up the process!

I don’t think you will find many taxpayers who are happy to put up with second rate or non- existent services while illegals are being made as comfortable as possible at a cost of billions.

Are you saying that you think that a lot of the rioters were migrants who arrived 20 years ago?

Otherwise I am struggling to see the link.

There is a cost to house, feed, supervise, process applications and everything else, surely?

It was a political choice of the last government not to get on with processing those asylum seekers applications.

One could perhaps make an argument that, that policy has contributed to the current situation on the streets.

The police have dealt with protests and riots in this way for years. You think you got away with it but then you get a knock one morning, often months later. The footage they get is intended to seal prosecutions and loads of people who get caught up won't end up in front of a jury, they'll just plead guilty and get fined/prison

Illegal immigrants have no recourse to public funds - so no one is paying for them

Given the level of ignorance of the criminal justice system after the point of charge demonstrated by some posters on this thread I feel it important to point out the following.

One could be in the area where the riot is taking place, and not be throwing bricks but still committing an offence, if one was for instance encouraging others to do so, or cheering when the police got hit.
Equally one could simply be walking past.

I think past experience of single videos (often edited) of an incident do not always tell the full story.
So I would suggest at present we have no idea whether the lady in question was rioting or not.