The Home Secretary is not telling the truth about rioters 'paying the price' ...

Not so. He improved the rape conviction rate significantly.

People have this weird idea that those who support human rights think all criminals should be allowed to do whatever they like. That simply isn't the case. What they support is the use of due process, i.e. fair trials plus a police and prison service who obey the law. I wish Reform supporters would at least try to explain what on earth they think is wrong with that.

There definitely needs to be a hard line on this. How long will these riots last? What will make it stop? How far could these muppets escalate things?

Based on past experience, they'll last while the weather's OK. Racist thugs tend to find something else to do when it gets colder and wetter.

No, the population does not decide. We don't have a referendum on every sentencing decision. Magistrates or judges will decide primarily; if they plead not guilty and are sent to the Crown Court, juries also will decide. The chances of a jury being made of of sympathisers with these idiots who will therefore let them off are, frankly, infinitesimal.

Surely it's absolutely obvious that she is saying that those found guilty will pay the price? She's hardly likely to go off into a long explanation of how those found not guilty won't pay any price because there's no price for them to pay, etc etc. I don't understand the point of your thread.

They'll be locked up. It will probably mean more over crowding and unpleasant conditions. But you don't get to set fire to buildings, threaten police officers and waltz off with a fine.

That is resolving it. Making it abundantly clear that it won’t be tolerated is part of the strategy. Jail space will be found. Those rioters that have already appeared at court have been remanded without bail. I imagine the sentences will be sufficiently harsh to set an example and make people considering it think twice.

Resolve it how? They are working on the immigration issue and the only thing that would placate the far right is saying all immigration will be stopped tomorrow, which is impossible

I reckon the majority will get a fine because there's no jail space .
I think the government should stop threatening people with ' they'll be sorry ' statements and get on and resolve this .

This is terrorism and should be viewed as such.

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Night curfews and the army for less than 5000 people is absolute overkill.

150+ arrests already. People already coming in front of the courts and being charged. How on earth can people complain

No, they said we were almost at capacity, and this is precisely why it is so important to have space available at all times.

No one can lie about capacity, it is a factual answer.

They will be keeping them in police cells until they start letting some out of prison early, think that's planned for next month. Total pain for police and station staff as the cells aren't really intended for long term use but it happens at times.

I've just had 2 hrs kip, I feel worse than I did before. I think I might be turning into a zombie.

Chuck out a few at the end of their sentences as the conservatives had already started putting into place and that'll make some space. A week or two earlier isn't going to make that much of a difference when there are new criminals to incarcerate and show justice being seen to be done.

Hope the baby’s better soon. I think it was crossed wires.

I was backing up what you said. I think? Had no sleep last night with sick baby GC so maybe I'm confused.

I know. If you read what I wrote I agree with you.

He's condemned what they were doing, he's said they will face the consequences, 24 hr courts (not sure if that is definite) what more should he be doing at the moment?

The only rioters likely to end up in front of a jury are those who decide to plead not guilty after being charged with serious crimes like arson, manslaughter, or assault ABH ('actual bodily harm') - which could result in a longer sentence if found to be 'racially or religiously aggravated'.
People with criminal records/ known involvement in 'extremist' groups are usually screened out of serving in juries. There will be a lot of video evidence of offences being committed (some of these idiots were live-streaming their riots, and there's a lot of CCTV footage) so the chance of juries not convicting is probably pretty low.

ps: Any contributions-based state pension is considered a 'benefit'. So is pension credit, which is only paid to people of state pension age. There are lots of benefits which are only available to British citizens who pay tax etc here. Why are you so wound up about this?

So, professional connection over a number of years or one Youtube, local radio interview….

Professionally, never undecided. I have the text messages of her decision making and minutes of meetings where she definitely challenged others and took hard decisions.

Time will tell but knowing her background she will do all she can.

If the vast majority are charged with crimes that are dealt with in the magistrates court, or because of the weight of evidence against them decide to plead guilty then of course they won't go in front of a jury.

The vast majority will never go in front of a jury.

During the last riots someone got 6 months in jail for nicking a bottle of water.

I expect the same this time.

Even though it costs us £50k Pa to imprison people. 🙄

It used to be known as a type of “insurance based payment” scheme, and was never classed as a benefit. Some years ago, the government of the day decided to call it a benefit, and lump it in with all the rest.

You obviously have no understanding about how state pensions work. There is no fund and some benefits have always had eligibility criteria. The state pension is classed as a benefit.