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The Home Secretary is not telling the truth about rioters 'paying the price' ...

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jxpop665 · 04/08/2024 11:17

as it will be the choice of a jury whether or not the accused is found guilty. She is being a very dishonest politician pretending it is her choice.

There could be a significant situation as in the statue of Edward Colston case, that if sufficient people in a jury agree with the underlying motivations the jury may use jury equity to find the accused not guilty.

Given the purported motivation of failed immigration policy is a political issue for a significant proportion of the population, this is an unlikely be possible outcome.

YABU = The Home Secretary is right, they will pay the price.
YANBU = The Home Secretary should be honest as that choice is for a jury.

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ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 04/08/2024 11:53

Clariana · 04/08/2024 11:44

So, courts can sit all night for this, but women who have been raped have to wait up to 8 years for their case to come to court, as reported on BBC Breakfast yesterday morning.

Shows where the new government's priorities lie.

This is the last governments fault though.

poetryandwine · 04/08/2024 11:50

Clariana · 04/08/2024 11:44

So, courts can sit all night for this, but women who have been raped have to wait up to 8 years for their case to come to court, as reported on BBC Breakfast yesterday morning.

Shows where the new government's priorities lie.

The disgraceful backlog prosecuting rapes was inherited from the previous government. Labour will have been in power one month tomorrow; the problem got steadily worse over 14 years of Tory governance.

I share your concern on the issue but I think the new Home Secretary is with us. Let’s give them a chance.

Rummly · 04/08/2024 11:48

🙄

They’ll go in front of magistrates. In my experience magistrates are a worthy combination of independence, fair-mindedness but righteous bastardy when they have a proven scrote in court.

TheYearOfSmallThings · 04/08/2024 11:46

Ah, politicians always say what politicians always say. Any country, any party, some things are eternal! Lots of people always get away with stuff in reality. We all know this already.

Clariana · 04/08/2024 11:44

So, courts can sit all night for this, but women who have been raped have to wait up to 8 years for their case to come to court, as reported on BBC Breakfast yesterday morning.

Shows where the new government's priorities lie.

Ponoka7 · 04/08/2024 11:43

@Bluebellsinthewind night curfew in city centers? Can you imagine what that will cost in lost business/wages etc. No they can't use the Army when it suits. What city do you pick? That's how you lose support.

pikkumyy77 · 04/08/2024 11:43

The question itself is just really …off? The Home Secretary isn’t “lying” or telling thevtruth. What are you, four years old? The HS is expressing the government’s intention to carry through with penalties insofar as possible. She isn’t specifiying but you can assume it will be somewhere between execution and a slap on the wrist. She also doesn’t have to say specifically what she means because its not under her control.

And yes I know there is no more capital punishment in the UK but I’m afraid the OP is so unused to hyperbole and political speech that I will get a lecture on it.

midgetastic · 04/08/2024 11:43

She is not being dishonest

If you at all

She is reassuring people that those who break the law will be prosecuted

She hasn't decided who is guilty of innocent

Ponoka7 · 04/08/2024 11:41

Then just watch what the response is to the next ignored riots in Manchester and the Midlands. I'm disgusted by the riots, it's damaged our city immensely, but they shouldn't make promises that won't apply to every group of those involved in civil unrest.

Bluebellsinthewind · 04/08/2024 11:41

The Government have said this morning that the prisons have the capacity for all who need it. They also said those rioting will pay the price.

To be honest the Government are pissing me off now. They are all, oh stop doing that or there will be consequences. The Government need to start supporting the very overwhelmed police and do something. Can they not bring in night curfews and the army?

Keir is looking weaker by the day in my opinion.

Hatfullofwillow · 04/08/2024 11:39

If they get the same judge as the just stop oil protesters, they won't be allowed to make the case for underlying motivation. I hope they do and they get similarly excessive sentences. We don't want a two tier justice system after all.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 04/08/2024 11:36

Iamonsocialmediatoomuch · 04/08/2024 11:32

The first thing that the government did when it came to power was say that sentances should be cut by 40% or 50% as prisons have run out of capacity.
Even if many are convicted where will they be sentanced as our prisons are over capacity.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c047dkjgpxyo

They’ll release some early to get these racist dickheads behind bars.

Prosecutors are sitting all night.

Iamonsocialmediatoomuch · 04/08/2024 11:32

The first thing that the government did when it came to power was say that sentances should be cut by 40% or 50% as prisons have run out of capacity.
Even if many are convicted where will they be sentanced as our prisons are over capacity.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c047dkjgpxyo

OMGsamesame · 04/08/2024 11:27

You think people who are frustrated by immigration policy think the rioters are justified?

BallerinaRadio · 04/08/2024 11:25

Lmao yes smashing up a Greggs and burning down a citizens advice bureau is clearly an appropriate and measured response.

Damn right they should all pay the price, every single one of them.

LlynTegid · 04/08/2024 11:22

Some may be tried in a magistrates court for lesser offences.

FacingTheWall · 04/08/2024 11:22

Lots of them will not end up in front of a jury.

TeenToTwenties · 04/08/2024 11:20

If jury finds them not guilty then there is n.o price to pay.