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To think you're not really that adventurous if you have your husband with you

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GigglingSid · 04/08/2024 05:55

I'm part of a group for families who enjoy travel, nature, camping, outdoor pursuits, both in the UK and abroad. It's not a very single parent friendly group, some of the advice given, particularly around my budget for certain holidays has been very rude. There's been a lot of women commenting 'well my husband will always drive/ put up the tent/ plan routes/ bugger off cycling all day and leave me with the kids.
I've been away this week and have been chatting to various people on the group about hiking routes, camping spots etc. It suddenly struck me that many of these families have credit cards with limitless amounts on them, expensive cars, tents and camping equipment worth thousands and they are also nearly all heteronormative couples. What a different experience trekking though the Sahara as or with a large white man with you compared to my experience as a short, mid thirties woman?
I feel like I've been conned a little bit into thinking I wasn't able to be part of this elite club as I wasn't savvy enough at reading a OS map or that great at kayaking.
But maybe actually being a woman on her own, with two kids, £200 and an Aldi tent makes me the most adventurous of them all?

OP posts:
Disturbia81 · 04/08/2024 14:11

@MillyMollyMandHey The first bit I mean

Disturbia81 · 04/08/2024 14:10

MillyMollyMandHey · 04/08/2024 05:57

You don’t need to take things away from other people in order to validate yourself.

Stop worrying about other people so much.

This phrase needs to be said over and over for all aspects of life.

justfinethanks · 04/08/2024 14:09

Scorchio84 · 04/08/2024 14:06

or Adventurous?

Feeling very superior and adventurous in her Aldi tent, thinking about how to label people in new ways.

Stompythedinosaur · 04/08/2024 14:06

I think you're seeing competition where there isn't any.

What they do doesn't take away from the adventurousness of what you do.

Scorchio84 · 04/08/2024 14:06

justfinethanks · 04/08/2024 14:00

OP wasn’t brave enough to come back.

or Adventurous?

justfinethanks · 04/08/2024 14:06

Scorchio84 · 04/08/2024 10:01

@TorroFerney & @Hoardasurass god me too... can they not just be couples? No one bats an eye these days (& for a long time thank christ!) about other peoples relationship dynamics

No, that would be too easy.

Scorchio84 · 04/08/2024 14:03

TorroFerney · 04/08/2024 13:06

I know, that’s the irony for me as well. Can’t we just be humans, I really do not need a label that tells me who you have sex with. When male bands in the 80’s wore frocks and make up no one cared.

In fact my sister & cousins took style tips 😆

bore off with your labels

justfinethanks · 04/08/2024 14:00

OP wasn’t brave enough to come back.

TheKeatingFive · 04/08/2024 13:13

housethatbuiltme · 04/08/2024 11:36

Why?

Most of my 'gay' friends are family units.

We are well past the days of 'spinsters' living together as 'roommates' and the odd glances at the strange man who just 'never found a wife'. Getting married and raising children is as normal to all groups now as it is to just 'straights'.

Of course gay couples can have children, but the logistics of that are more complex and there are fewer gay couples to begin with. The vast majority of children are still being brought up within a 'heteronormative' family structure.

TorroFerney · 04/08/2024 13:06

Scorchio84 · 04/08/2024 10:01

@TorroFerney & @Hoardasurass god me too... can they not just be couples? No one bats an eye these days (& for a long time thank christ!) about other peoples relationship dynamics

I know, that’s the irony for me as well. Can’t we just be humans, I really do not need a label that tells me who you have sex with. When male bands in the 80’s wore frocks and make up no one cared.

housethatbuiltme · 04/08/2024 11:36

TheKeatingFive · 04/08/2024 09:46

I'm not sure why you're complaining to this group being heteronormative. If it's a family group, surely it has to be to a large degree?

Why?

Most of my 'gay' friends are family units.

We are well past the days of 'spinsters' living together as 'roommates' and the odd glances at the strange man who just 'never found a wife'. Getting married and raising children is as normal to all groups now as it is to just 'straights'.

AdviceNeeded2024 · 04/08/2024 11:35

housethatbuiltme · 04/08/2024 11:31

Its mean straight... obviously lesbians can't camp for some reason.

Maybe they're not brave enough because they don't have a husbands hand to hold and they just aren't as 'not like other girls' as OP.

I thought it might mean straight, although I have never heard that word myself, but then I thought what on earth has being straight got to do with camping, travelling or travelling so I concluded I was wrong!

StMarieforme · 04/08/2024 11:33

Comparison is the thief of joy.

housethatbuiltme · 04/08/2024 11:31

AdviceNeeded2024 · 04/08/2024 09:18

I read your post twice and I genuinely don’t know what you are talking about or what you mean? Can you buy bravery along with a tent on the middle isle at Aldi now or something?!

I also have absolutely no idea what “heteronormative” means.

Its mean straight... obviously lesbians can't camp for some reason.

Maybe they're not brave enough because they don't have a husbands hand to hold and they just aren't as 'not like other girls' as OP.

MikeRafone · 04/08/2024 11:17

Does bravery equate to stepping out of a comfort zone or doing things that a majority of others aren’t doing?

Namename12345562 · 04/08/2024 10:28

StormingNorman · 04/08/2024 10:27

I think it’s brave OP. It doesn’t detract from anyone else to recognise that you’re out there doing it without the same financial, physical or emotional safety net as everyone else in your group.

💯

StormingNorman · 04/08/2024 10:27

I think it’s brave OP. It doesn’t detract from anyone else to recognise that you’re out there doing it without the same financial, physical or emotional safety net as everyone else in your group.

justfinethanks · 04/08/2024 10:24

justbeingasmartarse · 04/08/2024 09:43

Viewing a woman as bitter because she’s unmarried and/or childless is itself a stereotype tbf

Edited

It’s not what I said.

justfinethanks · 04/08/2024 10:23

ShouldhavebeencalledAppollo · 04/08/2024 09:49

I don’t think that poster said people were bitter because they are unmarried or childless though.

They said they were bitter because they are posting the things the poster, they quoted, had seen on social media

Spot on @ShouldhavebeencalledAppollo

Scorchio84 · 04/08/2024 10:20

MattSmithsBowTie · 04/08/2024 07:42

I can do anything a man can do, and I’m a tall, heteronormative white woman. So does that make me the most adventurous of all?

Or the least? with all your advantages being tall & all 😆

Didimum · 04/08/2024 10:19

You just sound angry that they’ve been rude to you (and if they have then that’s on them as individuals, not by virtue of being married or wealthy). And now you’re trying to big up yourself to feel better.

Big up yourself all you like – bravery and resilience and ability to go it alone. But don’t criticise women who prefer to travel with their partners to do it.

A woman should never ever put herself in danger to meet some arbitrary view of ‘adventurous’.

This whole post smacks of resentment – if you’d really prefer to see another woman in increased danger to meet your standards in ‘adventure’ then you’re not a nice person.

RedToothBrush · 04/08/2024 10:15

Why is this a competition?

mondaytosunday · 04/08/2024 10:14

I agree it's easier if you have another adult to divide the hassle of travel with. Travelling with my husband was far more pleasant.
On your own you carry the whole responsibility as well as the luggage/passports/money/tickets etc. Navigating a toddler and young child plus luggage through a busy airport on your own is not easy - a friend said she once asked a woman to help her put her pushchair on her cart as she had her baby in a sling and couldn't quite manage and the women said 'you people and your fucking kids' and walked off. I've also struggled with two small kids and luggage getting on a train - no one to help and no one offered (and if I spoke French I would have had a few choice words to say to the train employee watching me).
And I've also experienced getting the kids to bed and then.... well just me then. No one to share the experience with. Being on my own has certainly prevented me from travelling more.
But more adventurous? Not sure I'd call it that, though I would never have spent a month in Australia moving around nine times with two kids under four without my husband- absolutely no way.
But you also mention money - that's a different thing altogether.

Lovingsummers · 04/08/2024 10:09

If anyone wants to get started with some adventuring there is an app called alltrails. It has maps you can print, and you can download them to your phone. This will help you stay on track and it lets you know if you go off track at all.

Start small to build experience and confidence. Our first walk was 30 minutes long. It felt like an adventure, new location and all. That same walk is now a 'who wants to pop out for a quick walk?' affair. We now do up to 12 miles in a day (depends on the terrain) but we built up and learned a lot along the way. There are some other posts with information about other safety options. And make sure you have enough water.

ShouldhavebeencalledAppollo · 04/08/2024 10:08

What’s an elite camping club?

Surely an ‘elite’ anything club, is going to have people who spend a lot on the focus of the group. If you join an elite running club, people are, generally, invest money in things like trainers, all weather clothing etc

and how did they con you into joining?

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