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Saying no to childcare in the holidays

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Aprilmaymum · 03/08/2024 22:03

I today put my foot down and said no to my DSIL asking me to look after her three DC for two days next week. I have DC of my own and I am a full time mum while my DH works long hours. Last week I looked after my DN’s for two days. I I get my DSIL works and I am always happy to help but this is turning into more than the odd day. Of course my DBIL
has spoke to my DH about this and how disappointed he is etc etc. I don’t want to fall out but I feel enough is enough. I plan my DC activities in the holidays and next week two have swimming and one a drama group. this gives me a chance to catch up on jobs. So when DSIL asked me again and for three days I said no. It took me a lot to say no but now I feel
like a pig in the middle.
anyone else who is a full time mum feel like they are being took advantage of.

OP posts:
Sayingitstraight · 04/08/2024 08:27

My SIL, who I barely have a relationship with is a teacher, I have never asked her to have my kids and she has never offered. School holiday childcare is sorted well in advance. They are 100% CF, keep saying NO

Life2Short4Nonsense · 04/08/2024 08:22

My DBIL has yet again text my DH about families helping out etc.

Do they also help you out? And if so, how often?

From your other replies it's clear that the situation you BIL and SIL are in is self-imposed. They could have organised something or chosen to shorter vacation to the US, but instead choose to rely on you for free childcare. That's on them.

FloofPaws · 04/08/2024 08:17

ChubSeedsYorkie · 04/08/2024 08:12

YABU to say full time mum. Working mums are full time mums too… they’re not part time mums…

OMG this has been apologised for had you read the thread. Also she didn't say working mums were part time parents ffs, give over and stop being so precious

Sparklywata · 04/08/2024 08:17

Runn8ngOnEmpty · 04/08/2024 08:15

OP's children are in clubs next week. Why the hell would she want to fill her precious free time during the holidays with someone else's kids?!

And also OP has said one of their children has expressed relief that his/her cousins won’t be coming over.

Runn8ngOnEmpty · 04/08/2024 08:15

Motheranddaughter · 03/08/2024 22:23

It is entirely your choice
Personally I am always happy to look after my nephews and nieces ,love seeing my children interacting with their cousins
But if you don’t want this ,that’s absolutely fine

OP's children are in clubs next week. Why the hell would she want to fill her precious free time during the holidays with someone else's kids?!

Idontjetwashthefucker · 04/08/2024 08:13

ChubSeedsYorkie · 04/08/2024 08:12

YABU to say full time mum. Working mums are full time mums too… they’re not part time mums…

This has been covered a number of times and OP apologised early in the thread. At least read OPs posts 🙄

Snacksgalore · 04/08/2024 08:13

Aprilmaymum · 03/08/2024 22:12

I worked part time previously and was asked then to help out. Honestly I don’t mind helping out and if they were last minute stuck I would but to be asked again for three days when I have plans is not fair. Of course I am sure the DMIL will have something to say she often says how now I am home I have so much time. !!

She’s only last minute stuck because SIL and BIL haven’t booked anything. They’re plan was to relay on you.

I would stop all childcare. How many times do they help you out?

ChubSeedsYorkie · 04/08/2024 08:12

YABU to say full time mum. Working mums are full time mums too… they’re not part time mums…

Sparklywata · 04/08/2024 08:11

ButterCrackers · 04/08/2024 08:06

The men should be doing the childcare - your dh can look after the kids and so can your dbil. They work out of the home in paid employment but they can take time off to work unpaid doing childcare.

Unless I’ve missed something Her BiL may have been trying to “overrule” her but her husband didn’t . He’s backing her.

Op said :

My DH has no said to DBIL that he supports my decision and we are busy for the week.

ButterCrackers · 04/08/2024 08:06

Lilysgoneshopping · 04/08/2024 07:42

I would be raging about this. Like you've said no but the men have overruled you. Errr. I don't bloody think so!!!

The men should be doing the childcare - your dh can look after the kids and so can your dbil. They work out of the home in paid employment but they can take time off to work unpaid doing childcare.

Sparklywata · 04/08/2024 08:06

DreamTheMoors · 03/08/2024 23:09

My sister - before I became a mum - used me as her babysitter at least 3 times a week (and more on the weekends) when she got divorced and went through her slutty/not picky period.
I loved having my niece and didn’t think twice about it - until my sister got involved with a guy and then married him and dropped me like a bad habit.
I finally figured out that she’d been using me for free childcare for 5 years.
It hurt my feelings. But then again, she used me for free food and free lunches & dinners for 5 years too — so who’s the fool?
I am. I’m the fool.

Haven’t RTFT but well done on saying no,
OP. It’s outrageous that they seem entitled to your help. For that alone it would be a no from me.

@DreamTheMoors I had something similar with a childhood friend who was a
single parent. I used to take her child overnight multiple times a week so she could work or party and she also dropped me when she got married 😬 I was very close to her child as well.

Sadly she was widowed very young and I think after that she wanted me to develop the same kind of relationship I had with her eldest, with her two younger kids that she had with her late husband. At the time of her partners death I sent my condolences and helped with funeral costs and sent gifts to the kids, but after that I kept my distance.

You’re not the fool, you were just being kind to your sister which is reasonable!

NewFriendlyLadybird · 04/08/2024 08:03

One of my strong memories of childhood is the number of children, most of whom we didn’t like very much, who would come over for the day ‘to play’. We never seemed to get invited back — not that we minded, given the aforementioned dislike. I was an adult before I discovered that the mothers of these children would just essentially dump them on my mother, and the weirdest thing was that some of them didn’t work, though she did — but as a teacher so obviously she needed something to occupy her during those long holidays. She actually took assertiveness classes for a while and then, thankfully, didn’t see those children again.

Sparklywata · 04/08/2024 07:59

Favour237 · 03/08/2024 22:07

You’re not being unreasonable to say no to childcare, you’re not obligated to provide it to anyone else, you don’t even have to justify it to anyone just say no that doesn’t work for us.

You are being unreasonable to say full time mum (mothers who work aren’t part time mums) you are a stay at home mum.

This exactly

wombpaloumbpa · 04/08/2024 07:58

It's completely up to you. You might not be in paid employment but guaranteed you work very hard. You shouldn't be at their beck and call imo.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 04/08/2024 07:55

Sounds as if she’s counted on the fact that you will feel guilted into complying - so much cheaper and easier than bothering to book and pay for holiday clubs.
If the MiL has the nerve to get involved, I’d ask why she can’t exert herself to help.
My dd organises holiday care for her 3 young dcs well in advance - holiday clubs plus a few days with me and dh thrown in.

FloofPaws · 04/08/2024 07:51

The cheek of them is legendary! Point it out every time, why haven't you sorted this out already? One of July will Have to take unpaid leave I'm afraid as I'm busy taking my own children to
Holiday clubs so they get some fun over the holidays.

Animatic · 04/08/2024 07:50

Aprilmaymum · 03/08/2024 22:07

I used to work part time and did look at full time but DH for a promotion which did mean more money but longer hours so gave up work to look after my three DC. Since then I have been asked again and again. Last week she said she was desperate and as I had nothing planned said yes but this week I said no. My DBIL has yet again text my DH about families helping out etc.

Send them a link to sitters.co.uk; they are quite efficient helping in desperate childcare situations.

FloofPaws · 04/08/2024 07:45

MikeRafone · 04/08/2024 07:13

Your BIL texting

families help out

text back

we did last week, this week we can’t.

... I'd add to that - sorry, it's your turn this week, I'll be dropping our children to you first thing Saturday and will pick them up Monday morning

Leanmeansmitingmachine · 04/08/2024 07:43

They sound like entitled twats who like to bully, seeing as they’ll get the whole damn family involved. They need to sort their shit out.

Lilysgoneshopping · 04/08/2024 07:42

Aprilmaymum · 03/08/2024 22:19

The DSIL asked me. I said no. Her DH then contacted my DH

I would be raging about this. Like you've said no but the men have overruled you. Errr. I don't bloody think so!!!

stayathomer · 04/08/2024 07:40

MillyMollyMandHey
well we can always say not my problem or we can help people- I’ve had people save me and I’ve gone out of my way for people to help them too. I’m sorry I’m not trying to be all ‘wouldn’t the world be a better place’ but it really would and I don’t think there’s anyone here who wouldn’t appreciate someone taking on something that ‘wasn’t their problem’ to help them out!

FallingIsLearning · 04/08/2024 07:38

Aprilmaymum · 03/08/2024 22:25

Never had my DC.
they tend to take each day as it comes. So last half term I had them for three days. They both do shift work. I know DSIL DB also helps out. They don’t ever have plans. I was asked the days the DC broke up from school to have them. I cannot do 5 weeks of this so I decided of it happened again I would say no. Also my DC want to see their own friends and it isn’t possible with 6 DC. I can never go out as my car isn’t big enough.
it is hard when it is family to say no

They don’t take each day as it comes. They assume that you are their default childcare unless something else comes along.

I am very sorry to hear this.

I think I am fairly typical of parents who work full time. School holiday childcare is meticulously planned well in advance, because I cannot afford to casually swan along and then not have a plan in place one day! It would be so incredibly stressful to scrabble around trying to sort things out with just a couple of days to go. Presumably they don’t feel this pressure as they just assume that you will take them.

They need to do what most other people do, which is a mix of each parent taking annual leave by themself for childcare (or unpaid leave) and holiday camps for any periods they are not on family holidays. Holiday camps can be tricky as extended hours aren’t always quite long enough. We manage that by sharing the load with another working family, and between us we can make it work. My husband’s employer is happy for him to shift hours if there are no meetings, so he can start a little late. It then doesn’t matter that he finishes late, because another parent has done the converse, and is there for the pick up. There are also a couple of days each week when an office-based parent can work from home, so they don’t have the commute. There are ways to make it work, but you have to be organised. This is why I cannot believe that your relatives’ plan is to take things day by day, and not simply that their plan is that you are their childcare.

I would NEVER presume that a SAHP would just take on my children as free childcare. I realise that, even though time with your own children is a joy, the summer holidays are long, and it’s stressful to entertain hot, sticky, tired children single handed for 6 weeks. And then to just assume you could easy add another THREE children to the mix on a frequent basis, it really takes the biscuit.

Keep standing firm on this. I know it’s of no practical help, but I am behind you!

Londonrach1 · 04/08/2024 07:37

Keep saying no!

summerdazey · 04/08/2024 07:33

Aprilmaymum · 03/08/2024 22:19

The DSIL asked me. I said no. Her DH then contacted my DH

That would absolutely get my back up. Why is he contacting DH. Unless he's asking DH if he's free to watch the kids I guess. I hate when people do this like DH is somehow your keeper.

PonkyPonky · 04/08/2024 07:31

Well done for sticking to your guns OP. When you work you have no choice but to be extremely organised with school holiday childcare plans. I have a very colourful calendar going with the complex combination of holiday clubs, family and annual leave. I could never just leave it until the last minute and hope someone who doesn’t work will just help out. My SIL doesn’t work and I have never once asked her to help me out. It’s my responsibility, no one else’s. My plan has been in place since holiday clubs opened for summer bookings. I also could never waste my entire annual leave allowance on one term time holiday as that would screw me over for the whole year! Your SIL needs to learn and hopefully she will learn when she can’t go to work next week because there’s no one to look after the kids.

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