To think that men shouldn’t be in female changing rooms?

Try wandering into the one that's next to all the men's clothes and someone will quickly tell you it's the men's changing rooms.

Most are just called changing rooms not women's changing rooms

Your opinion isn't any more important than mine though is it. I'm sorry you've been through that but the shop can make their decisions and you can choose to use them or not. Posting on here won't change anything. Write to the shop head office if you're bothered by it.

The expression on men’s faces makes me die a little seeing them trail round after their partners looking desperately bored. I don’t understand why anyone would do it at all, let alone sit in a changing room.

“They are waiting for their girlfriends”
That might be the case, but why can’t they wait outside of it.
It doesn’t matter if you’re in a cubicle, sometimes you might want to step outside to show your friend, if you can see guys sat down waiting in the vicinity, it’s going to be uncomfortable for some.

It’s a woman’s changing room, not a waiting room.

I don't see why they can't wait outside. They are called female changing rooms for a reason - the clue is in the name. It's no bloody hardship for for a bloke to wait outside for his girlfriend surely. And yes, in this day and age of mobile recording devices I don't think it's within the realms of utter fantasy that a man might make use of the situation. They're not exactly unknown for sexual exploits are they for christ sake.

My point is that it doesn’t bother you but it does bother lots of women. That doesn’t give you the right to dismiss our feelings and our wants and needs for a single sex space. I’ve been sexually assaulted and don’t like men around when I’m getting undressed. Why should I not go shopping just because a guy won’t wait outside. Loads of women are like me and that’s not even allowing for Muslim women. Please be decent and listen to others’ concerns. It’s quite upsetting to have them waved away so airily.

And just general pervy behaviour of phone cameras etc… no thanks. Men can wait outside. Cool/fangirls don’t speak for us all.

No bother. You're not exactly listening to me either but there you go.

Men shouldn’t be in women’s changing rooms.

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@Lifeasweknowitisrandom I’m not engaging with you any more as you are determined not to listen to my concerns. So I’m not wasting any more precious time. Too much transmitting, not enough receiving.

I'm mentioning it because it really is no different. You can still ask a shop assistant's opinion and look in a mirror with a bloke there. 99% of the time they wouldn't even be there anyway. I don't think I've ever seen in a man in a shop changing room but I couldn't give a stuff if they were there. Most of the time, they probably don't want to be there anyway but their partner has dragged them along for an opinion.

The shop can make their decision about who can go in the changing room and you can decide to go or not to go to that shop

Why do you keep talking about leisure room cubicles? We’re talking about clothes changing room. I know if I go swimming that there may be a communal changing area with cubicles. I never go but I know that is the case in some places.

What we’re talking about here is women’s changing rooms with men sitting in them. Different thing. My expectation when I go into a women’s changing room in a shop is that there will be no men there. That is different from my expectation when I go into a communal changing room in a leisure centre (which I never do). It’s men encroaching on women’s spaces. I want to take a bit of time in the clothes changing room, maybe ask the assistants opinion, go out and look at the large mirror etc… none of which I feel comfortable doing if Nigel is sitting there.

H&M are crap when it comes to changing rooms. It is one of the reasons why I don't want to shop there anymore.

One of their shops in Denmark got renovated in the end of the nineties and got saloon doors in the changing rooms. If you were an average height and didn't bend down everything was covered ... well, -ish. There was a gap between the doors. But if you sat down or bent down you weren't. I was there to buy underwear. I went to the cashier instead and told her why I wouldn't buy anything that day. She actually asked why I told her. I had to tell her that she was supposed to tell the manager and that companies actually like to get this kind of feedback instead of people just walking out. They kept the doors for two or three years.

In the large branch on the high street in Copenhagen they used to have flimsy, tiny, thin curtains in the dressing room in the women's department and big, heavy, thick curtains in the dressing rooms in the men's department.

I think it’s all related to the lack of respect men have for women’s spaces. If appropriate, I would complain to staff and have complained in similar circumstances. Unfortunately many staff seem to think it’s ok for men to enter the womens’ changing room so they don’t enforce boundaries.

I think it’s all related to the lack of respect men have for women’s spaces. If appropriate, I would complain

They can't wait outside a communal dressing room though can they. It's not like you're naked in front of them. I go swimming and haven't ever once thought 'oh there's a man in the cubicle next to me'

That’s your opinion. But I don’t want men in a space where I’m getting undressed. Simple. They can wait outside. Decent men do. I always complain if there’s men there.

The men should wait outside. There would be complaints for sure if women were waiting right in the men’s changing rooms.

Your choice but the two places aren't really any different.

@Lifeasweknowitisrandom I don’t go to swimming pools but I do want to try things on in shops.

How is it any different to tons of leisure centres having communal changing rooms? She'd be coming out in a bikini or costume then too.

Those half-sized doors, half the time a tall man could look over the top of one and see you while you are changing. Some of the doors have gaps on the side or curtains that have gaps. Sometimes you have to come out of your individual changing room and stand in the common area of the changing room so you can stand far enough away from a mirror to see gaps in the fit of the clothing that expose skin you do not want to expose. All of those are reasons why a woman might want a changing area that does not include males.

If I go shopping with a boyfriend I ensure that he stays outside of the changing area. I don't want (a) any other girls or women to be worried, or (b) him to be tempted to look where he shouldn't.