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To be panicking about DC’s employability post uni?

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NeedXanaxPlease · 03/08/2024 17:18

DD is going into the final year of an Anthropology degree (might get a first but probably a 2:1) from a top RG uni. Has done a Fine Art foundation year. Always worked part time since finishing A-levels (Maths, English Lit, Art), first as a barista/front of house/waitressing, then as an after-school nanny during uni.
She loves working, is highly responsible, great people skills (and people judgement) and quite numerate/commercially savvy. She is a great kid and would be an asset to any team. But… she hasn’t had a single internship so no “relevant” work experience (didn’t get her act together after first year and a long recovery post an operation for a sporting injury after second year) nor does she really know what she wants to do after graduation. She is definitely not pursuing the classic investment banking, Bain/BCG/McKinsey, accountancy, law routes.
I am now feeling highly anxious and helpless as I don’t know how to support/guide her. I did the classic Tier 1 strategy consulting, MBA, corporate M&A so I am spending hours each week helping my friends’ kids who want to pursue this path (mock case studies, mock interviews, CV reviews) but am at a complete loss re how to help my own. I feel that I am spiralling. This is not helped by my being involved in graduate recruitment at my work – CVs I see are all full of Economics/Management/Sciences degrees, multiple internships/work experiences/summer schools – they are highly structured and tick all the boxes (to an extent where I can’t differentiate between them). My DD wouldn’t stand a chance on paper.
Sage mumsnetters, please reassure me that she can get a job without internships and with a “soft” degree? Does she stand a chance with graduate schemes? Should she even bother applying? What potential career routes she could explore?

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VioletMountainHare · 03/08/2024 19:25

If she has time this summer Eventbrite is a good place to start. There are hundreds of free networking events and talks. These are often good places to meet people and pick up some work experience and get your name/face known.

Holluschickie · 03/08/2024 19:25

a great career path with progression, pension, and a chance to meet a wonderful vetted man (beats any internet dating in my view),

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AllTipAndNoIceberg · 03/08/2024 19:24

So because your 18-year-old likes London, you’re panicking at the idea she might need to live and work somewhere other than London for a while? Like millions of other people do?

Poor, poor mite, cast out to find her way among the provincials who just don’t understand diversity etc.

Tiredofallthis101 · 03/08/2024 19:24

Civil service fast stream. Great career for using your brain, very varied jobs on offer so you don't get board, humanities degrees etc very welcome. Lots of challenge/autonomy at an early stage, really fascinating work and opportunity to develop lots of skills. Downside is government obviously doesn't pay as well as other things, though it is of course possible to move out of government with work experience under your belt. And on the fast stream itself, the grad scheme, you can't choose your exact jobs so c.3y of being under someone else's control. But that's a very minor issue and they do take preference into account

Pip789 · 03/08/2024 19:24

At your daughter's age my DP hadn't been to university and was working in a trade. He did eventually go and then got a graduate job in London but a few years in to it we decided to settle back up north. This meant he had to take a very low paid internship (that didn't require a degree) as there were far fewer jobs. He's now doing very well and out earning what he could have in London.

Not everybody has a clear path and at 22 and that's ok!

I faffed about leaving one degree and taking a year out of my next one. I then took time out to travel. I'm doing well now and have just taken a slightly different path.

As much as you want to help let her find her own way, it doesn't have to be what you're familiar with or what other young adults are doing. It's also ok if she tries out a few jobs before deciding what to do.

Holluschickie · 03/08/2024 19:19

Chocolatelabradorsarethebest · 03/08/2024 19:07

I find this a bizarre thread. It’s so old school, she has a degree = she’s going to be a management consultant.

in this day and age she has a degree = she works a minimum wage job along with the (hundreds) of thousands of other graduates.

it’s for her to decide her career path, you sound way too invested and have far too high expectations.

A degree these days really doesn’t set you apart. And this is coming from someone who graduated 20 years ago and my degree (although a 2.1 law degree from a RG uni to satisfy your snobbery) really doesn’t mean anything.

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God, this is so depressing

shuggles · 03/08/2024 19:16

@EI12 then a fast-tracker Scotland Yard into something like analytical unit would be a great career path with progression, pension, and a chance to meet a wonderful vetted man (beats any internet dating in my view).

Workplace dating may have worked in the past, but I assure you this no longer happens. Joining a workplace is a sure fire way of ensuring you never have a relationship with anyone in that workplace.

TheShiningCarpet · 03/08/2024 19:13

What planet are you on?

If she is not into law, accountancy, management, then a fast-tracker Scotland Yard into something like analytical unit would be a great career path with progression, pension, and a chance to meet a wonderful vetted man (beats any internet dating in my view).

anonhop · 03/08/2024 19:12

Would she consider a career in HR/ marketing/ teaching? There are starter grad jobs available in all of those as well as masters type qualifications she could go on to do to have something on a CV

shuggles · 03/08/2024 19:12

She is definitely not pursuing the classic investment banking, Bain/BCG/McKinsey, accountancy, law routes.

I'm absolutely flabbergasted that investment banking, accountancy, and law are such common career paths to high earning mumsnetters with 6 figure salaries, that they can't conceive of any other jobs and regard finance as a "classic" career path.

Quick question to everyone... when you buy shampoo at the supermarket, how do you think that is made? Or what about your medicines? Food? Or if you paint your house, where does that paint come from?

I'll give you a hint... you don't have a man in a factory who pushes a big button, then all of the consumer products magically pop out.

Loley22 · 03/08/2024 19:10

Charity jobs UK would be a great place for her to look. I honestly wouldn't worry. Most get to where they want to be eventually. I was coaxed into an arts degree and ended up in commercial sales post grad. Ten years later I moved to work in a local authority and did a social work degree in my 30s. I have a mortgage am fairly solvent and most importantly happy! She has plenty of time to figure it out.

EI12 · 03/08/2024 19:10

NeedXanaxPlease · 03/08/2024 17:48

Overinvested - probably, pushy - no. As long as she is happy, I am happy. I just haven’t met anyone poor, unemployed and happy…

This. Please don't listen to some posters on MN. When I read them, the only thing I can think of is - sabotage. Some people routinely tell 40+year old stay-at-home mums with no degrees and no savings 'to chuck their husbands if they had affairs and 'find a man who is the same age, a high earner, sexy and good-looking to love you the way you are because you deserve it'. There was another thread today where mothers who forced their children to do cool extra-curriculars were telling other 'tyrant and controlling mothers' to 'let their children drop music, sports, etc. as long as they are happy because unis doin't look at extra-curriculars at interviews'. Yeah, right. Don't listen to them and be actively involved in pushing your child in the right direction. Some comments are disingenuous. Without proper parental guidance, a person can waste an anthropology degree, with proper parental guidance and downright pushing, a person can excel with an anthropology degree. If she is not into law, accountancy, management, then a fast-tracker Scotland Yard into something like analytical unit would be a great career path with progression, pension, and a chance to meet a wonderful vetted man (beats any internet dating in my view). And yes, you are absolutely right, not all rich and employed people are happy, but I would rather be unhappy, rich and employed than the other option.

PurpleH · 03/08/2024 19:10

NeedXanaxPlease · 03/08/2024 17:46

What are those paths though? As you might have guessed from my post, my world is quite limited to finance. I am actually happy she is not doing it - I have seen enough women chewed up and spat out in these roles - but I am not familiar with what else is out there (that is not STEM/finance/law) that pays enough to have a semi-decent quality of life in London.

To answer your question re what she enjoys - problem solving, pace, probably projects/variety, rather than routine, degree of creativity, seeing specific outcome/result.

Does she have to live in London? I guess that’s where you are and/or possibly her uni but she doesn’t have to live there, therefore doesn’t have to reach for a massive salary to live on (most other cities are far more affordable).

PP is right - ”millions” of other options do exist. Here’s a few: teaching, energy sector, environment sector, civil service, working with animals in some form, charities, culture/arts (museums, theatres, national trust etc), government, marketing (as I think you said she was looking into). The list goes on.

i might be wrong, but from your posts it sounds like you maybe “look down” on a lot if the above or anything outside of what you know. a) many of the career path options she has are hugely fulfilling and b) (as it seems to be an issue for you) there is the option to earn plenty in many of those jobs.

my advice - let her explore some options, help her write her cv and if she wants to try a job and gets it, let her. The first things she does don’t have to be her lifelong career - that can be her “experience” you think she needs on there. Hardly anyone I know did internships

StepAwayFromGoogling · 03/08/2024 19:08

One of my best friends studied Anthropology and went into the police. Loves it. Would that interest her?

somepeopleareunbelievable · 03/08/2024 19:08

Maybe she wants a less pressured life than you have had? You sound quite highly strung. I got a job after uni (not a career), then I got another job, then I got another job which was mostly done by graduates & they funded me to do an MSc while working, then I got a promotion, then I got some really good training and moved into a well paid role, then I got more senior... I'm a far better and relaxed employee than my contemporaries who just did graduate trainee and high pressure right from the start (but we're approximately in the same place now career wise)

Pipsquiggle · 03/08/2024 19:08

I think if she could think of sectors she's interested in and then see which companies are big players in that area.
If I was to do it all again I would love to be a cyber security.
DunnHumby is an interesting company. Human behaviour applied to commercial queries.
She needs to do some research.

TheShiningCarpet · 03/08/2024 19:08

I think you’ve lost a bit of perspective here and are projecting massively your own fears and biases onto the situation with your daughter

in fact so much so that you can’t even see how offensive your previous comment was… I doubt you meant it intentionally but still

you have lots of suggestions, good luck with it

Chocolatelabradorsarethebest · 03/08/2024 19:07

I find this a bizarre thread. It’s so old school, she has a degree = she’s going to be a management consultant.

in this day and age she has a degree = she works a minimum wage job along with the (hundreds) of thousands of other graduates.

it’s for her to decide her career path, you sound way too invested and have far too high expectations.

A degree these days really doesn’t set you apart. And this is coming from someone who graduated 20 years ago and my degree (although a 2.1 law degree from a RG uni to satisfy your snobbery) really doesn’t mean anything.

RoseUnder · 03/08/2024 19:06

How about an international, multilateral or development organisation- eg FCDO, NATO, the World Bank, the United Nations? High pay and great opportunities.

She has relevant skills - eg anthropology for community-consultative programming or audience-targeted strategic communications - and all important (and sadly increasingly scarce) soft skills in working with others, coaching, etc.

She’d need to learn French (or another language).

keepYourDogQuiet · 03/08/2024 19:06

There is nothing stopping her doing a finance grad job. They are loads of companies apart from the big ones.

NeedXanaxPlease · 03/08/2024 19:05

Super grateful for all suggestions, going through all of them, will summarize takeaways later

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DreamTheMoors · 03/08/2024 19:03

My brother graduated with a degree in geography.
He became a produce broker (he bought fruit & vegetables from farmers & sold it to markets & grocers) and made a fortune.
I could never figure out what geography had to do with sales, so I asked him:
”Nothing,” was his answer.
Just because your daughter majors in one thing does not mean she’ll spend the rest of her career in that field.
I graduated with a degree in English and thought for sure thought I’d teach — and ended up in politics. Life can be curvy.

Iamonsocialmediatoomuch · 03/08/2024 19:03

My neice has just got a grad scheme with the Civil Service in London, has she considered this route?
Maybe she could do a year in a postgrad that is a bit more geared towards a job such as business and economics and then apply for grad schemes?
The other route is into HR which banks have large recruitments for and my neice's friend applied last year and has job in now in the City.

Holluschickie · 03/08/2024 19:03

I think you might post in Higher Education rather than in AIBU.

Lonxy · 03/08/2024 19:02

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