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To be panicking about DC’s employability post uni?

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NeedXanaxPlease · 03/08/2024 17:18

DD is going into the final year of an Anthropology degree (might get a first but probably a 2:1) from a top RG uni. Has done a Fine Art foundation year. Always worked part time since finishing A-levels (Maths, English Lit, Art), first as a barista/front of house/waitressing, then as an after-school nanny during uni.
She loves working, is highly responsible, great people skills (and people judgement) and quite numerate/commercially savvy. She is a great kid and would be an asset to any team. But… she hasn’t had a single internship so no “relevant” work experience (didn’t get her act together after first year and a long recovery post an operation for a sporting injury after second year) nor does she really know what she wants to do after graduation. She is definitely not pursuing the classic investment banking, Bain/BCG/McKinsey, accountancy, law routes.
I am now feeling highly anxious and helpless as I don’t know how to support/guide her. I did the classic Tier 1 strategy consulting, MBA, corporate M&A so I am spending hours each week helping my friends’ kids who want to pursue this path (mock case studies, mock interviews, CV reviews) but am at a complete loss re how to help my own. I feel that I am spiralling. This is not helped by my being involved in graduate recruitment at my work – CVs I see are all full of Economics/Management/Sciences degrees, multiple internships/work experiences/summer schools – they are highly structured and tick all the boxes (to an extent where I can’t differentiate between them). My DD wouldn’t stand a chance on paper.
Sage mumsnetters, please reassure me that she can get a job without internships and with a “soft” degree? Does she stand a chance with graduate schemes? Should she even bother applying? What potential career routes she could explore?

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littlegrebe · 03/08/2024 17:57

If I was starting again with my RG soft subject 2:1 and wanted to stay in London I'd look at the Civil Service. There are lots of options to move around and try new things and even if she decides after a few years it's not for her it never hurts in life to have a good understanding of how public sector bureaucracy works.

She might also do what I did which is drift around trying new things in her 20s and eventually land in a not spectacularly well paying but deeply satisfying public sector job, living comfortably in a place which - the horror - isn't London. There are worse things in life than not going onto a graduate scheme at 21.

TheShiningCarpet · 03/08/2024 17:57

You need to chill out

If she chose a degree in anthropology it’s unlikely she will earn a lot of money in the beginning, but there must have been something about it that has interested her and kept her motivated?

maybe she will travel or pursue a higher degree or find an internship … let her explore her options without pressure from you

she may have ideas of what she wants but the reality of what she will need to do to achieve this and whether she’s prepared to make sacrifices and put in the work to do so is now a test that she has to endure herself. This is all part of growing up. she’ll be fine she’ll be resilient. She’ll find her place. She’ll find her space.

titchy · 03/08/2024 17:57

OP there are literally tens of thousands of grad scheme vacancies open for application in Autumn that aren't the sort of cut throat area you work in. Ive suggested three big recruiting schemes. There are many others - inc marketing if that's an area she'd like to work in.

You do know about the grad scheme websites yes? Your dd will if you don't.

TrySome · 03/08/2024 17:57

NeedXanaxPlease · 03/08/2024 17:48

Overinvested - probably, pushy - no. As long as she is happy, I am happy. I just haven’t met anyone poor, unemployed and happy…

I completely understand how you feel. I am not in a dissimilar position. I could have everybody in the world telling me that my child is as an adult and they will find their own way and it is not up to me to get involved etc and it would not make me feel less anxious.

The only way I console myself is by telling myself that they are young and there are so many different ways to live life. They will eventually find their way and I should not compare to the high flying kids of my peers. It is hard though so you have my sympathy.

having said that, I would not want my kid to go through the early graduate life in the city. I know it pays well but I do not want them to have to cancel holiday plans and work all hours. I don’t believe that good mental health lies that way. Ironically, one of my other kids may be going down that route and that also makes me anxious!

Qwertys · 03/08/2024 17:56

A lot of her classmates are thinking masters/PhD/conservation/charities

So you do know some of the routes available to her! Does she want to do any of those things?

A research or policy job in the Civil Service or going into the grad scheme also a good shout.

Singleandproud · 03/08/2024 17:55

She may not want to live in London, she may travel overseas or in the UK.

She could work at professional qualifications in project management via the APM or asset management (of things not money) with IAM. Or at number of other professional qualifications.

She may work in a museum, HR, a diplomat. Plenty of CS or public sector careers don't require a specific degree.

She may not end up on six figures but most people don't.

MyRamone · 03/08/2024 17:55

alwaysmovingforwards · 03/08/2024 17:49

Sorry to ask the obvious question… but who on Earth invests their time in a particular degree without considering how it springboards into their career?!?
Seems either unplanned madness or just an expensive and indulgent 3 or 4 years at uni with no real point.

That's a depressing point of view - a lot of people choose a subject out of intellectual curiosity, not thoughts of how much money it will make them. Anyway, a lot of the time it is the skills you learn on a humanities degree that are most valuable - ability to distill important information, analysis, report writing etc.

Just leave her be - she'll find something she's interested in that isn't as rigid as civil service work or high finance. Both dp and I found our first careers randomly through taking up temping placements at our companies.

whengodwasarabbit1 · 03/08/2024 17:55

Get her to upload her cv onto handshake, it's really good and will help fit her skills with jobs that match her degree and interests. Lots of internships come up through here too. Hope that helps

DoopSnoggySnogg · 03/08/2024 17:52

I did law at university. I absolutely hated it and I’m now a very happy hairdresser. I wish I hadn’t been pushed away from my passion when I was young, being told lawyers are clever/rich and hairdressers and poor/stupid.

NeedXanaxPlease · 03/08/2024 17:52

Ponderingwindow · 03/08/2024 17:26

What are her plans with her degree? I would not expect her to be going down the consulting or banking routes with a degree in anthropology.

To find a job that doesn’t bore her out of her skull (at least not 100% of the time), where she can have impact, good (or at least non-toxic) culture, and where she can make a decent living and get a mortgage.., sounds pretty vague and high level to me.

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alwaysmovingforwards · 03/08/2024 17:49

Sorry to ask the obvious question… but who on Earth invests their time in a particular degree without considering how it springboards into their career?!?
Seems either unplanned madness or just an expensive and indulgent 3 or 4 years at uni with no real point.

Princessfluffy · 03/08/2024 17:49

Finishing Uni is often a difficult time as starting in the world of work is a whole new ball game. I'd concentrate on providing emotional support.

From what you say she will be a great employee and will make a great success of her working life, whatever path she may choose to follow.

This is not a problem for you to fix OP.

NeedXanaxPlease · 03/08/2024 17:48

WaitingForMojo · 03/08/2024 17:39

What does she want to do? You sound over invested and pushy

Overinvested - probably, pushy - no. As long as she is happy, I am happy. I just haven’t met anyone poor, unemployed and happy…

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StillProcrastinating · 03/08/2024 17:47

I was going to say civil service fast stream, and it’s second on Prospect’s list! Anthropology does tie with social policy ? Also great graduate career with opportunity for diverse placements, so you don’t have to commit to one route …

Winterjoy · 03/08/2024 17:47

Honestly even people with experience etc are struggling to get into or move employment right now (although the market does seem to be picking up slightly).

She would probably be best to get any job and go from there e.g. if she wants to work towards marketing, apply for any job in a business with a marketing team, then network within the organisation and wait for marketing vacancies/opportunities come up as an internal applicant.

samarrange · 03/08/2024 17:47

She loves working, is highly responsible, great people skills (and people judgement) and quite numerate/commercially savvy.

Then she will be fine. She sounds lovely. A lot of the people who go into finance or the "give me your watch and I'll tell you the time" end of management consultancy seem to be either shallow careerist arseholes, or deeply unhappy with the falseness required to success in those roles.

MargotMoon · 03/08/2024 17:46

This isn't your problem to solve. As pp said, be supportive and encourage her to continue exploring her options. It took me a good 20 years and a good few dead ends and diversions after graduating to find what I wanted to do with my life!

NeedXanaxPlease · 03/08/2024 17:46

Pushmepullyou · 03/08/2024 17:22

There are a million career paths that aren’t M&A, investment banking etc. what does she enjoy enough to spend 8 hours of her day doing it?

What are those paths though? As you might have guessed from my post, my world is quite limited to finance. I am actually happy she is not doing it - I have seen enough women chewed up and spat out in these roles - but I am not familiar with what else is out there (that is not STEM/finance/law) that pays enough to have a semi-decent quality of life in London.

To answer your question re what she enjoys - problem solving, pace, probably projects/variety, rather than routine, degree of creativity, seeing specific outcome/result.

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CremeEggThief · 03/08/2024 17:45

You need to calm down about this. It's no longer your responsibility to be so involved.

She's an adult and if she ends up on the dole there's nothing you can do about it and it won't be the worst thing in the world. Simple as that.

Changingname1988 · 03/08/2024 17:45

How do you think most people manage to get jobs OP?! Plenty of people with “soft” 2.1s from RG universities and no internships have bravely overcome adversity to find employment. Shock horror…maybe even some poor mites that went to ex-polytechnics 😂

She’s an adult who by your admission is clever, well liked and hard working. Let her make her own way and don’t try to force her into any particular career path. Maybe she won’t have a MN 6 figure salary but that’s ok, most people don’t!

Yellowpingu · 03/08/2024 17:43

Firstly, she’s not a ‘great kid’ if she’s finishing uni, she’s a grown up. Time to loosen those apron strings and be supportive of whatever SHE decides. It might not work out first time but these are her decisions to take, not yours.

NeedXanaxPlease · 03/08/2024 17:40

cupcaske123 · 03/08/2024 17:29

You're spiralling? Isn't there a career advisory service at her university? Can't she make an appointment and talk over her options? Doesn't she have a tutor she can talk to? Does she have classmates she can discuss this with, people doing the same course who have ideas?

She did go to the careers centre - they seem to be wildely overrated for anything non standard. They can talk to you about consulting/banking/engineering/accontancy/law and are geared towards maximising your chances of getting those - talking you through the process, interview prep, case studies, assessment centres etc. Anything non-standard and they are at a loss. For example, she asked about marketing and they didn’t really know much. No can they help with off cycle internships. A lot of her classmates are thinking masters/PhD/conservation/charities. She would consider a master’s (she does love the subject) but I am not sure a master’s in anthropology would be additive.

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WaitingForMojo · 03/08/2024 17:39

What does she want to do? You sound over invested and pushy

titchy · 03/08/2024 17:35

My DD wouldn’t stand a chance on paper.

She doesn't need to though does she as she won't be applying for the sort of roles you recruit....

There are a billion and one other careers and grad schemes open to her.

Am I missing something?

If you want to offer her your advice - let her know that grad scheme recruitment starts next month. Civil Service might be one for her to look at. Or local authority management. Or NHS management.

She's a numerate, analytical people person with a demonstrable work ethic. She'll be fine.