To be embarrassed to be from Hull right now?

Your paraphrasing is absolutely woeful and incorrect.

I’d prefer to not have these riots and I’d get more like Aus where it won’t flare up due to policy.

Riots are costly and disruptive not to mention the cost of court cases and any incarceration.

And of course the front line police

What a mealy-mouthed way of saying that it's not the racist rioters' fault they are attacking innocent minorities, looting shops and gleefully committing arson for fun.

You'd rather avoid riots but these poor far right thugs have no choice..

It predates Blair, though I suppose you could blame Harold Wilson as he was in power when Powell gave his ‘Rivers of Blodd’ speech.

There has never, ever been any form of racism in the UK that comes close to that in Northern Ireland, where people of two very similar ethnicities saw such differences between them that were were at literal war with each other for decades. A war that ended without any real rapprochement between the extremes in either community. And yet, that's happening now. Something that was utterly unthinkable in Northern Ireland happened yesterday. Any idea that what's happening across the UK this week is just plain old racism is annihilated by marchers in Belfast marching under Union Jacks and Tricolours together.

If you don't understand that, then you don't understand the most significant political discord within your union. And without understanding that, you can't really understand what's happening now. It's too foundational.

If you don't like generalisations, don't make generalisations yourself.

I haven't made generalisations.

You have.

You don't speak for the working class. You only speak for you.

Well of course there are but in a similar vein you can't put anyone that is concerned about immigration and boat crossings and the affect that has on our housing, hospitals etc in the far right racist group.

I agree there is a need for accuracy and care @2dogsandabudgie - you've suggested a starting point that is not true.

Whether you have done that accidentally, because your political/historical knowledge is not good or because you intend to make a political point, I have no idea.

Yes it did. Are you saying that talking about immigration means a person is now far right?

Please stop talking about the working class as a group with a single view. There are working class people across the entire political spectrum with wide ranging views on all issues, including immigration.

No. I want you to be accurate in the language you are using so as not to further inflame or inadvertently amplify far right talking points.

"Concerns about immigration" didn't start under Blair. That is factually incorrect.

So you want me to pretend that what happened back then didn't actually happen because it was Labour, ok then.

No one is saying that rioting is the answer.

No it didn't, concerns with immigration started way back under Blair's Labour.

Demonstrable bollocks. Being used to suggest racist rioting is "understandable"

Race riots have been a feature of the UK for too long, personally I hoped they were a thing of the past. It's really upsetting to see it on our streets and posters on here 1) going on about "reasonable concerns" and 2) trying incorrectly to pin the blame on "the left" make me incredibly angry.

Posters rationalising rioters are part of ths cause of this.

That's not what I said, is it.

I don't understand a mindset that jumps to "if the government do a thing I don't agree with, people will riot, so they better not do that"

That mindset shares characteristics with people who think "women deserve it" if the are wearing a short skirt. It's not outright saying the violence is acceptable. But its placing the blame away from where it should be, which is with the person/people being violent

Of course there will always be racists, but you cannot say that everyone concerned with immigration or migrants coming across the channel are racist.

Why is my post anti Labour? Maybe you're too young to remember that time but everything I have said is what happened.

The Conservatives are just as much to blame.

What you actually mean when you say "people feel ignored". Practically speaking, what does that mean? What voice or rights do you feel that group doesn't have that others do?

Huge cleanup underway in Hull. Huge amount of fires, vandalism, doctors unable to get in and out if hospital. This was not a protest it was horrendous thugary. Thankfully the Humber street sesh at the marina went ahead and apparently escaped all this.

I haven't read any posts on MN that have been in agreement with the riots

Racists have always had "concerns about immigration".

It's not like the Windrush migrants were welcomed with open arms.

This is just transparent anti-Labour nonsense, and completely inappropriate at the moment.

To add to my post when people feel ignored, let down and hopeless that's when they are more likely to be drawn to an extremist party, one who they think will listen to them.

No it didn't, concerns with immigration started way back under Blair's Labour. Anyone who had concerns were shouted down as racist and weren't listened to.

Our Tradesmen protesting because they were being undercut by cheap foreign labour, and being insulted by people saying they didn't want the jobs or didn't have the skills. They were peaceful protests by men who just wanted to earn a decent wage so they could pay the bills. Before this Gordon Brown had promised British jobs for British workers which is why if you look at the photos from that time this slogan was on the placards. He never kept that promise.

So it doesn't just go back to the last Government, tackling immigration has been at the forefront of politics for years. Each time there's an election parties have promised they will sort this but they haven't. Every time this happens the working class feels ignored and let down by the people they elected.

I don't know. Obviously there are a lot of people out who just want to start a riot and smash things up. But yesterday, in Northern Ireland, Loyalists and Nationalists marched together carrying the Union Jack and the Tricolour. They stood side by side, saying that this is important enough to bring them together and that the differences between them mean nothing compared to the problems that now unite them.

Anyone who actually understands the first thing about Northern Ireland has to understand the magnitude of this. It's not something I would have ever imagined happening in my lifetime or, tbh, far beyond. I can't actually believe it's happened. If Ulster Unionists and Nationalists are standing together, even if it's just in small groups right now, then what is happening is an awful lot bigger than yobs smashing things up. And it's probably worth us putting aside our initial distaste and working out exactly why people are so angry.

https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/national/union-flags-and-irish-flags-are-flown-side-by-side-at-anti-immigrant-protest-in-belfast-city-centre-4728240

They won’t have rioting over increasing trafficking nor will they vote to end policies regardless of Labor or Liberal

And it’s clear we’re not Aus, we’ve moved in the opposite direction with ‘smash the gangs’.

We’ll see how it pans out over next few years.
I think we’ll see the two diverging in outcomes as numbers increase here

OK. Well we aren't Australia so their policy won't work in our context, as has been discussed ad nauseam.

It's not like Australia never sees violent disorder and has no issues with racism either.

Don’t forget Letby is ‘innocent’ remember? There’d be no innocence campaign if she was another sex or class and riots if she was another nationality, religion or colour and anyone disputing that are either stupid or lying.

I’m nowhere near it. I’d prefer policy and calm like Aus and have said so for a while

It’s a different approach but citizens are happy enough to never vote it out.