To be embarrassed to be from Hull right now?

I haven't seen that no. I saw a post earlier about a women who runs a local business that was throwing bins at police. Apparently she's now been named all over X complete with video footage.

Thankyou, well done that dog 😁

I was meant to go into Manchester today for a hobby group meeting, but for various reasons I couldn’t be bothered. It wasn’t until later I checked social media and saw there were these EDL type protests arranged all up and down the country including Manchester. It’s frightening because I could quite easily have ended up in the thick of it.

I assume many of these people came by train since they’re half drunk or planning to get drunk, I take the train too from my town which is half an hour from Manchester.

To add, I was wearing a headscarf today. I’m not Muslim but I wear it sometimes not as a hijab but as a fashion accessory. I have been mistaken for Muslim in the past which has led to “taliban” and the P word being screamed at me on occasion.
I was in a local shop today and the staff member was so rude and hostile to me I actually started wondering later on if it was related to my headscarf?

It’s sad that I’m now thinking twice about wearing headscarves. I can’t imagine how actual Muslim women are feeling .

Yanbu.
I'm half expecting the idiots in my town to kick off too.

tese are riots not protests

why the hell woul you take childdren to that

I'm proud of Hull. I don't think there were many actual Hull people in the protest riot crowd. I like to think most Hull people wouldn't dream of joining in.

You're contradicting yourself. You're saying that your neighbours were involved in the riots but then saying that no one you know was involved. You must know who your neighbours are if you know they were involved.

@mothsandgoths

respect, decency, sense of community, people looking out for each other, safety on the streets. The way Britain used to be.

I was being flippant about getting foreigners out but watching the live feeds from Sunderland last night, it was very clear that those 'protesting' absolutely wanted foreigners out (especially those of colour). Of course immigration is a much more nuanced subject than that however every economic study that I've read in the last 10 years agree that migrants make a positive benefit to our economy. The problem is that governments (and I agree it's successive governments) haven't invested that tax revenue back into local economies. We then don't have the infrastructure to support the local population, especially areas where the population has significantly increased. That's not the fault of migrants, it's national government.

To be fair there has been a trend of rioting in Britain in the summer over the years - with various motivations - racism, attacking police and businesses, vandalism, looting. There are people who want to stir up mischief inciting people with vague or coded language.

Any crime apparently linked, however tenuously, to ethnic minorities is used to promote racist and anti refugee prejudices. Sadly, it's those people who are at the bottom of the pile with least stake in society who are most likely to be manipulated into this action. Actions that damage their own communities and put lives - including the police's - at risk.

The current riots and violence seem to be mostly perpetrated by white males who feel disadvantaged and alienated in society. And we do, politically, need to address this alienation and hopelessness. But in reality they are being manipulated into blaming ethnic minorities when really it's growing inequalities that is responsible.

Happily the anti-nazis and anti-racists are out in force today in many cities across the country.

The UK remains 83 percent white - we are not being overrun by foreigners. The problem is that wealth and power is being controlled by the few. And that means many people have very little hope of sharing in prosperity or having a valued role in society.

Actually, there also appears to be a link between civil disturbance and boom periods when there are higher numbers of male adolescents. There was a high birth rate about 16 years ago. so that might fit?

Protest in city near here was stuck between the pop up beach in the Market Square , Clark’s shoe shop , people sitting outside a cafe drinking coffee and a counter peace protest !! The knuckledraggers must have felt well ‘ard !! Hopefully they fucked off back to Spoons !! They weren’t big in number !! Twats !!

Says it all.

Reporter on Today programme this morning said that he recognised some of the rioters from previous unrest in other parts of the country. Presume Police do too. It seems very orchestrated .

We want a pause on other migrants coming in whilst we sort out this shit show.

Suella Braverman's Home Office issued 1.2 million visas in FY 2022-2023, the majority of them for workers. Unemployment didn't jump, so those people were apparently all needed to keep the economy going. By all means get the government to stop issuing those visas, but expect employers across the entire range of sectors to complain that they can't find people. Care home beds need changing, the fruit needs picking, the trucks need driving.

I have seen it suggested (heaven forfend) that one or two people might have a specific problem with the culture, religion, or other demographic attributes of many recent immigrants. It's ironic that those differences would be far less if it was easier to bring in people who are less culturally, religiously, or otherwise visibly different from White British people from, say, the EU. But some people voted to "Take our country back", so that's out. Be careful what you wish for, as they say.

As someone with an Aus connection and UK one I think the decision is madness and the trajectory will diverge between the two countries over the next five years

Use a deterrent and you’ll have a calmer country and citizens who never vote it out, like Aus

Aus is centre left now and has does this. Smash the gangs is trying to clean up all trafficking. Disorder as a result will cost

Yep pepper spray, mastering, tear gas-full works I say- who goes to 'protests' with a crate of beer and indulges in a bit of looting whilst they are at it- Britain is full of yobs sadly - luckily they are in the minority but enough of them to cause mayhem

I would have any arrests for violence or abusing police an automatic disqualifier when it comes to social housing allocation too

The media coverage of disorder and violence, including attacks on the police, fire setting and throwing objects has been on every channel, in every paper and all over SM.

It's Britain. It's hot. People riot. They do it every time. They'll stop when the rain comes.

The Tories couldn't get a functioning immigration system together in 14 years so I'm willing to give Labour more than 4 weeks to come up with a plan. Rwanda was a ridiculous waste of money and was only even going to deal with a tiny percentage of migrants. It was supposed to act as a deterrent but if a migrant is willing to get on an overcrowded, collapsible dinghy then I imagine the tiny chance of being put on a flight to Rwanda is a chance they'd be willing to take.

Yes I agree with you. It’s non viable and an impossible task

When I heard the initial statement I thought it madness which would lead to disorder

There hasn't been one in my home city (yet?) but I can see what you mean OP. I am proud of where I'm from and would feel sad and embaressed to think a minorities actions are what some people would associate with the place. And horrified for those who felt unwelcome or were targeted. My city is better than that.

But the way I think about it is, look at how many people there are involved in these riots compared to the number in the city (and country). And not all the rioters will be local. It's a very small minority rioting, the majority (like you say) are sickened. I think you see more of the character of the place with how it reacts after.

I hope Hull doesn't fare too badly tonight and people (including the police) stay safe.

This just won’t work. Smashing up gangs? They’ll just be replaced be more gangs. There’ll always be someone in the shadows waiting to step in where there’s a gap. They’ve doing that with Colombian and Mexican drug barons, and despot leaders. Always someone waiting to step up.

Yes this. It seems more common in very hot weather.
They seem like the type who would be football hooligans.

Have you seen the videos of the bus incidents? My heart sunk at how terrified the passengers looked. My nephew lives off Chester Road and said there were swarms of them stomping up the place!