To be embarrassed to be from Hull right now?

Hopefully anything will work better than the hideously expensive Rwanda nonsense.

Did reform get a lot of votes? They got 5 seats. I don’t notice them being in power.

No i don’t , but then i didn’t vote reform.

Maybe we should build a bridge from France to the uk so people can walk over in safety instead of the dangerous boat crossing. That way more of them could come over , and they wouldn’t have to give any money to the smugglers?

All paid for by taxpayers money of course. Im sure that would be a great vote winner for the party that bought that in ?

Oh, sure. This is a standard discussion about the US, too. Thomas Friedman's book "The world is flat" from 2005(-ish) talks about a forthcoming realignment of left-right to what he calls the "Web party" (tech businesses, free-movement, social liberals) and the "Wall party" (organised labour, anti-immigration, social conservatives), and I think we are seeing some of that play out.

But this is mostly a problem for the Tories. Their paymasters, generally speaking, want immigration so that labour becomes cheaper, and don't tend to live in Stoke or Hull, or have kids who are having trouble scraping together a deposit. And post-Brexit they came to rely far more on Red Wall voters, who are more sensitive to immigration issues than the average voter in Amersham.

Of course it's all a lot more complicated than that because things are never that simple (for example, companies only want to pay low wages to their own employees; they would like every other company to pay their staff high wages so their customers have more purchasing power). But then, everything is more complicated than that. ¯\(ツ)/¯

Well at least we know who all the racists are now.

I lived among very racist people for ages. And because I wasn't white Engerlish (but white British... ) I was told to fuck off back home on many an occasion. I thought people like that had disappeared from mainstream view, only sharing their hateful ideology amongst fellow fash. And now here they are again, in full sight, happy to show off their bigotry, their Nazi tattoos, their violent tendencies and zeig heiling like their grandparents hadn't fought against this shit in WW2

Hateful scum, the lot of them. And everyone defending them with "but we need to take our country back" and "we need to fight our cause." Just say you're a nasty racist - fewer letters.

Indeed!
At least she knows that it is usually very different!

My parents grew up in Hull @grafittiartist but mum was looking forward to seeing it all from a different angle. This is not quite the angle anticipated 😕

That's sad - the old town is definitely worth visiting. But yes- feels a different place at the moment.

My mum and sister were going to go on the tour of the Old Town, tomorrow but don't want to, now.

In Hull hospitals are reporting that doctors and nurses carnt get in and out of hospitals safely to change shifts. Truly despicable what's happing in Hull and many other areas.

Chester23 I agree.
How can anyone cat as if they would enjoy this.
I haven't seen much footage- thank goodness. Just heard police sirens and that picture of the fires behind Spring bank.

@Unforgettablefire definitely make an exception for Derby games! Although they're few and far between now.

@TattiePants good natured banter...It is until our teams meet. (I'm black and white)

Yes, Reform did get a lot of votes. As I recall Ben Habib was in favour of allowing asylum seekers to drown. Do you think that is a viable way of addressing asylum seekers coming to the UK?

By doing what?

Sane reply as to the pp.

I agree the Tories have done nothing for 14 years, apart from cook up stupid schemes that waste millions of pounds of taxpayers money. Hopefully Labour will get the asylum process back to some sort of functionality.

I agree the Tories have done nothing for 14 years, apart from cook up stupid schemes that waste millions of pounds of taxpayers money. Hopefully Labour will get the asylum process back to some sort of functionality.

It’s not great to lose control so quickly but what do you expect Labour will do to sort immigration issues out?

Oh sorry i didnt realise there had only been a government in this country for the last 4 weeks.

It's so awful isnt it- I feel really upset about it.
Our beautiful city- how dare they.
This city has always welcomed those in need and this is just horrible..

people want change in the way immigration is controlled but the government are doing too little

4 weeks is a bit of a short timescale in which to sort immigration issues out, tbf!

When you look at countries like france and spain that are many times bigger than the uk ,the numbers are still not equal ….. the uk is tiny in comparison but they keep coming in large numbers……..this can’t continue for ever and there needs to be control over it …….

just look how many votes reform got in the last election… people want change in the way immigration is controlled but the government are doing too little.

Rioting is not the answer, but there are a lot of people in this country that agree things need to change.

"seemed to" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there.

They're not illegal until their asylum applications are refused.