Michael Jackson

You prove it's true! You can't. Because it's a load of steaming bull!

Like I just said, it's amazing what people make up, to try to prove themselves 'right.' Some will even go as far as to find a fake news story to 'prove' they are correct! 😆

As IF Michael Jackson's defence could pick the jury, and make sure they're a bunch of starstruck fans! Give over FFS! 😂 You're deluded!!!

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Prove it!

Some people like to make up nonsense, and reach for the stars to find a 'reason' why 'people are guilty really,' when it's not the verdict they want. I hope to fuck that none of the MJ bashers on here are EVER on any jury!

@Magnastorm · Today 13:04

MJ fans are incredibly obsessive about him and his mediocre music.

Tell me you have never listened to more than 3 Michael Jackson songs without telling me you've never listened to more than 3 Michael Jackson songs!

What a load of utter nonsense!

In which case you will agree that the statement that Savile should not be around childrenis not a “feeling” but a fact.

Read back through all of my posts and tell me where I’ve ever said that Saville is innocent. Quite the opposite.

I'm watching Square One on YouTube to refresh my memory of it. It's an interesting watch.

I've never believed it. I just looked up and watched Leaving Neverland after reading this thread. A few people have commented about inconsistencies in the witness' stories. Can anyone fill me in ?

YANBU.

I can't believe that anyone who has seen Leaving Neverland can believe he is innocent. Or anyone who knows anything about James Safechuck or Wade Robson. It is 100% obvious that they are telling the truth.

I wish I could separate the music from the artist, but unfortunately cannot listen to his music without thinking about what he has done.

What I don't understand is how his biopic is going ahead.

I can't imagine any other male pop star who was around at the same time as Michael Jackson who admitted to sharing his bed with unrelated little boys being met with the same reaction as Jackson was.

The childlike persona which he presented could have been genuine or it could have been an excellent way to cove up his true character. I remember watching Finding Neverland and thinking that, at the very least, he was a seriously disturbed individual.

I still remember Jarvis Cocker at the Brits in 1996 after the thoroughly bizarre performance of Earth Song.

Michael Jackson was clearly a troubled person and I think that the musical is purely a money spinning exercise which really didn't need to be made.

It's interesting watching the legal secretary of Evan Chandlers lawyer. Money was certainly the focus from the outset rather than 'justice'.

On the radio.
At school discos.
At parties and holiday camps.
I don’t own any MJ records and I don’t think they have him on their Spotify playlists.

Fandom is a very bizarre phenomenon in any case. But certainly fandom of a man with serious drug and alcohol problems, a face disfigured by surgery, a weird falsetto voice and a self-proclaimed habit of sharing a bed with little boys is among the most bizarre.

I think the musical is in poor taste. I can imagine a very dark and disturbing musical/play that could be made about his life but I doubt his estate would give permission for his music to be played.

I don’t think the consequences for him are the point. The point is the consequences for his victims who have been disbelieved and harassed. And for society. We had to grow up as a society and face that “stars” can be serious sexual abusers otherwise it will happen again.

No it’s a fact. Savile should not have been allowed around children by the BBC. Are you going to say Savile is innocent now too?

I am proud to say i never bought a single record of his, i always found him a creep, he made my teeth itch from a very young age. Elton john has had the same effect on me since i first saw him on tv when i was about 5.

Not excusing what he did in any way shape or form. We should have cancelled him when he was alive. The point is, there WASN'T a consequence for him personally. There should have been, but there wasn't. And cancelling his music now isn't any sort of 'consequence' for him, personally, because he is dead.

I certainly make no excuses for the man. I think he was guilty as hell. I just don't see what removing the one good thing he did (if you like his music) will do to mitigate the immensely bad thing he did.
Willing to own I may be wrong, but I promise you I have no desire to excuse the man in any way for crimes I absolutely believe he committed.

No it’s about putting out a message to society that there is always a consequence to your actions. Dead or alive.

Keep on going with that he wasn’t convicted. He is literally in the same club as Saville. Neither were convicted but we all know exactly what they are.

It’s actually sickening that there’s people on a parenting site excusing him

Exactly.

Well no, the cancel culture is about holding celebrities accountable for their actions and ostracising them from their ‘communities’ thereby hitting them where it hurts - in their ability to perform and earn their living - not to mention making it difficult for them to continue their ‘transgressions’. Difficult to do that when they’re dead. And MJ wasn’t convicted of anything, so his legacy and impact on society are still ‘celebrated’ if that’s the way you want to look at it - music still played regularly, dance videos accessible online etc. As I said, not really much of a fan of MJ, but some of the opinions expressed here say a lot about the double standards applied.