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C4tintherug · 2024-08-03T11:00:29+00:00

Why has Michael Jackson not been cancelled? I don’t understand why a musical has been made out of his music, and why his music is played at school discos and is still everywhere. After I watched the documentary where the men described how he raped them, I won’t listen to his music at all, in fact, I feel a sense of disgust when it is played publicly. I don’t understand why we seem to have cancelled everyone else except him. Is it because he died before he was officially found guilty?

Screamingabdabz · 03/08/2024 23:34

Middle aged man with fucked up issues since childhood and adopts weird persona, builds a remote fairground to entice children and sleeps in same bed with multiple young boys. All fact.

Complete nonce. His music disgusts me. I turn it off if it comes on the radio. If they play it in a shop, I walk out.

DotAndCarryOne2 · 03/08/2024 23:26

creamofroses · 03/08/2024 23:02

Not sure what level of evidence you expect a victim of sexual abuse, particularly one who was a 10 year old child, to produce. In any case, others - legal others - seem to disagree:

Michael Jackson lawsuits alleging sex abuse can be revived, US appeals court says (bbc.com)

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The lawsuits are not being brought against MJ himself, they are asserting that the businesses he owned had a duty of care towards them. This assumes that he was guilty of the abuse they allege. Tricky. He’s dead, and US law dictates that death terminates criminal responsibility.

Mirabai · 03/08/2024 23:22

serialcatbuyer · 03/08/2024 23:00

It is weird that he would sleep in bed with them, and weird that their parents allowed it. But watching the documentaries it seems he was friends with them, like he had the mind of a child

Which is what he groomed you to think. Does he sing or dance like a child?

littleburn · 03/08/2024 23:20

In his 2003 interview with Martin Bashir, Jackson (then 44) is on record saying he shares his bed with children that are not his own children. That's not in question or speculation, he says it on camera and names some of those children (all boys). Whatever the outcome of subsequent court cases, you either think that behaviour is ok and because he was an innocent/naive 'Peter Pan' character or you don't.

TheMarzipanDildo · 03/08/2024 23:20

The people who are convinced he’s innocent and those men are just liars should be made to watch that documentary. It’s harrowing.

ChishiyaBat · 03/08/2024 23:13

Rosscameasdoody · 03/08/2024 23:10

Don’t put words in my mouth. Where is your evidence for these accusations, which, by the way, are bordering on the libellous ? Can you show me where l’ve said any of that in any of my posts. At no point did l say l was comfortable with it - l described it as odd and disturbing, but not proof in itself of abuse. And absolutely nowhere did l say that l would send my own children off to sleep over with any man, famous or otherwise, and l’ve said several times l wasn’t particularly a fan.

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Then why are you so hellbent on correcting anyone who thinks he's guilty?

Ageisjustanumb3r · 03/08/2024 23:11

PrincessHoneysuckle · 03/08/2024 12:28

He really wasnt

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He really was

Rosscameasdoody · 03/08/2024 23:10

creamofroses · 03/08/2024 22:56

It is surprising how many posters on MN of all places seem to be perfectly comfortable with a grown man sleeping in a bed with random children - but not just children, boys. No sleepovers with girls that I have ever heard of. Boys. Not just any boys, but boys of a particular age.

Little boys who later grew up to tell what actually happened to them. Little boys whose entire lives were twisted and hampered by shame.

The lawsuits and the pay-offs were the tip of the iceberg.

Good to know you'd send your own little boys off to sleepovers with some man, so long as he was famous and made what you term good music.

According to a report by NBC News, authorities in the early 1990s investigation thought there might have been as many as eight or 10 other victims.

Michael Jackson sexual abuse allegations: The complete list of accusations. (slate.com)

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Don’t put words in my mouth. Where is your evidence for these accusations, which, by the way, are bordering on the libellous ? Can you show me where l’ve said any of that in any of my posts. At no point did l say l was comfortable with it - l described it as odd and disturbing, but not proof in itself of abuse. And absolutely nowhere did l say that l would send my own children off to sleep over with any man, famous or otherwise, and l’ve said several times l wasn’t particularly a fan.

Ageisjustanumb3r · 03/08/2024 23:08

Onehotday · 03/08/2024 12:19

Because he's innocent.

Agreed !

ChishiyaBat · 03/08/2024 23:05

I really hope this is reinvestigated @creamofroses those boys well me now deserve justice for what happened to them!

creamofroses · 03/08/2024 23:02

Rosscameasdoody · 03/08/2024 22:58

Unless new evidence has come to light to change the original verdict it wouldn’t. And so far everything is conjecture.

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Not sure what level of evidence you expect a victim of sexual abuse, particularly one who was a 10 year old child, to produce. In any case, others - legal others - seem to disagree:

Michael Jackson lawsuits alleging sex abuse can be revived, US appeals court says (bbc.com)

Michael Jackson prepares to enter the Santa Barbara County Superior Court to hear the verdict read in his child molestation case June 13, 2005

Michael Jackson lawsuits alleging sex abuse can be revived, US appeals court says

US judges rule Wade Robson and James Safechuck can pursue lawsuits against the singer's companies.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66553229

ChishiyaBat · 03/08/2024 23:02

creamofroses · 03/08/2024 22:56

It is surprising how many posters on MN of all places seem to be perfectly comfortable with a grown man sleeping in a bed with random children - but not just children, boys. No sleepovers with girls that I have ever heard of. Boys. Not just any boys, but boys of a particular age.

Little boys who later grew up to tell what actually happened to them. Little boys whose entire lives were twisted and hampered by shame.

The lawsuits and the pay-offs were the tip of the iceberg.

Good to know you'd send your own little boys off to sleepovers with some man, so long as he was famous and made what you term good music.

According to a report by NBC News, authorities in the early 1990s investigation thought there might have been as many as eight or 10 other victims.

Michael Jackson sexual abuse allegations: The complete list of accusations. (slate.com)

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Oh god I thankfully forgot how utterly disgusting those accusations were! Those poor boys!

serialcatbuyer · 03/08/2024 23:00

It is weird that he would sleep in bed with them, and weird that their parents allowed it. But watching the documentaries it seems he was friends with them, like he had the mind of a child

louloulo · 03/08/2024 23:00

Lorelaigilmore88 · 03/08/2024 12:24

Why should he be canceled when he was found innocent in court? I think it will be incredibly dangerous if we get to the point where we assume things are true because we've read them in the paper or seen them on tv.

OJ Simpson was found innocent

Rosscameasdoody · 03/08/2024 22:58

ChishiyaBat · 03/08/2024 22:53

I asked if that was what happened not stated. I have said what I think of that vile man multiple times. I also don't believe someone as rich and powerful as Jackson didn't use underhand tactics in that court case. My narrative is he's a filthy nonce, I also don't watch "Hollywood courtroom dramas" so have no idea what happens on screen or in real life.
I also think that if it was reinvestigated now it would have a different outcome.

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Unless new evidence has come to light to change the original verdict it wouldn’t. And so far everything is conjecture.

creamofroses · 03/08/2024 22:56

Rosscameasdoody · 03/08/2024 22:35

I’m not particularly a fan. And as I’ve said before if the charges were sleeping in a bed with children and preferring to spend his time with them, he would have been convicted. The charges were child abuse and they weren’t proven beyond reasonable doubt. And most of the comments here from detractors can be characterised as ‘feelz’ because the fact is that he was acquitted, regardless of what they think.

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It is surprising how many posters on MN of all places seem to be perfectly comfortable with a grown man sleeping in a bed with random children - but not just children, boys. No sleepovers with girls that I have ever heard of. Boys. Not just any boys, but boys of a particular age.

Little boys who later grew up to tell what actually happened to them. Little boys whose entire lives were twisted and hampered by shame.

The lawsuits and the pay-offs were the tip of the iceberg.

Good to know you'd send your own little boys off to sleepovers with some man, so long as he was famous and made what you term good music.

According to a report by NBC News, authorities in the early 1990s investigation thought there might have been as many as eight or 10 other victims.

Michael Jackson sexual abuse allegations: The complete list of accusations. (slate.com)

The Complete List of Sexual Abuse Allegations Against Michael Jackson

Jackson denied the accusations until his death in 2009. His estate has continued to fight the claims.

https://slate.com/culture/2019/03/michael-jackson-leaving-neverland-sexual-abuse-allegations.html

Firefly1987 · 03/08/2024 22:55

Mirabai · 03/08/2024 13:55

IKR. Because he groomed the families of the boys as much as the boys themselves.

By the sound of it there are mothers on this thread who might make the same choice to send their kids to stay with a star they’re certain he’s innocent.

Fame does weird things to people.

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Well you'd let Lucy Letby babysit your kids so not much room to talk...

Rosscameasdoody · 03/08/2024 22:54

Tourmalines · 03/08/2024 22:49

Wacko jacko was the biggest dirtiest pedo to ever walk the earth . All the nounces can flap their tongues all they like and get hot under the collar . He’s where he deserves to be . In hell .

Wondered when you’d surface again. How’s the anger management going ?

ChishiyaBat · 03/08/2024 22:53

Rosscameasdoody · 03/08/2024 22:45

The load of steaming bull this poster called you out on was your assertion that Jacksons’ defence team ‘hand picked’ the jury based on whether they were fans, ‘starstruck’, or somehow in their pay, or whatever other utter bullshit you came up with to support your narrative. It’s been explained to you how actual jury selection in the real USA works, as opposed to the Hollywood courtroom drama version you seem to be clinging to.

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I asked if that was what happened not stated. I have said what I think of that vile man multiple times. I also don't believe someone as rich and powerful as Jackson didn't use underhand tactics in that court case. My narrative is he's a filthy nonce, I also don't watch "Hollywood courtroom dramas" so have no idea what happens on screen or in real life.
I also think that if it was reinvestigated now it would have a different outcome.

Tourmalines · 03/08/2024 22:49

Wacko jacko was the biggest dirtiest pedo to ever walk the earth . All the nounces can flap their tongues all they like and get hot under the collar . He’s where he deserves to be . In hell .

Rosscameasdoody · 03/08/2024 22:45

ChishiyaBat · 03/08/2024 22:25

I was asking a question not telling you what happened. What I think happened is that he was a nonce and groomed at least 8 little boys, I suspect it's a whole lot more though, but feel free to tell me my opinion is "a load of steaming bull" that is your right after all.

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The load of steaming bull this poster called you out on was your assertion that Jacksons’ defence team ‘hand picked’ the jury based on whether they were fans, ‘starstruck’, or somehow in their pay, or whatever other utter bullshit you came up with to support your narrative. It’s been explained to you how actual jury selection in the real USA works, as opposed to the Hollywood courtroom drama version you seem to be clinging to.

Rosscameasdoody · 03/08/2024 22:35

Mirabai · 03/08/2024 16:17

I don’t think everyone does have the facts.

I work on facts - direct evidence from the complainants, direct evidence from MJ himself who admitted he slept in beds with children, and from multiple items found in the police search.

I don’t go on feelz and fandom.

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I’m not particularly a fan. And as I’ve said before if the charges were sleeping in a bed with children and preferring to spend his time with them, he would have been convicted. The charges were child abuse and they weren’t proven beyond reasonable doubt. And most of the comments here from detractors can be characterised as ‘feelz’ because the fact is that he was acquitted, regardless of what they think.

pam290358 · 03/08/2024 22:28

Twistybranch · 03/08/2024 18:11

No it’s about putting out a message to society that there is always a consequence to your actions. Dead or alive.

Keep on going with that he wasn’t convicted. He is literally in the same club as Saville. Neither were convicted but we all know exactly what they are.

It’s actually sickening that there’s people on a parenting site excusing him

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Saville was dead when his crimes came to light. Jackson was tried and acquitted. Not the same thing. At all.

ChishiyaBat · 03/08/2024 22:25

HungryLittleCrocodile · 03/08/2024 22:20

You prove it's true! You can't. Because it's a load of steaming bull!

Like I just said, it's amazing what people make up, to try to prove themselves 'right.' Some will even go as far as to find a fake news story to 'prove' they are correct! 😆

As IF Michael Jackson's defence could pick the jury, and make sure they're a bunch of starstruck fans! Give over FFS! 😂 You're deluded!!!

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I was asking a question not telling you what happened. What I think happened is that he was a nonce and groomed at least 8 little boys, I suspect it's a whole lot more though, but feel free to tell me my opinion is "a load of steaming bull" that is your right after all.

Rosscameasdoody · 03/08/2024 22:23

Mirabai · 03/08/2024 20:34

In which case you will agree that the statement that Savile should not be around childrenis not a “feeling” but a fact.

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Knowing what we know now, yes, of course. But the plain fact is, the BBC were complicit in allowing situations where he could access children and engage in abuse. And the fact remains that Saville was dead before he could be brought to justice, MJ was tried and acquitted. Big difference.