To say the Olympics hates women

Do some reading re DSD. This isn't about genitalia - many are not diagnosed until puberty.

@Cookiecoop insults are. It allowed on MN. Reported.

For any reader who believes that any female person can have testosterone in the 'male range' please look at the charts in the linked tweet.

Plus

This is from a PCOS advocate on twitter.

PCOS raises female testosterone to up to 5.5 nmol/L (and above 4 can cause serious issues).
5-ARD raised Caster's testosterone to 21 nmol/L.

twitter.com/NathanielHart72/status/1550916276490477568?s=20&t=E8muLvV5kUEpbPeemz8zwQ

and

twitter.com/seaningle/status/1537480540068225031?s=20&t=E8muLvV5kUEpbPeemz8zwQ

Sean Ingle (Guardian sports journalist) mentioned this

The latest scientific publications clearly demonstrate that the return of markers of endurance capacity to "female level" occurs within six to eight months under low blood testosterone, while the awaited adaptations in muscle mass and muscle strength/power take much longer (two years minimum according to a recent study). Given the important role played by muscle strength and power in cycling performance, the UCI has decided to increase the transition period on low testosterone from 12 to 24 months. In addition, the UCI has decided to lower the maximum permitted plasma testosterone level (currently 5 mol/L) to 2.5 mol/L. This value corresponds to the maximum testosterone level found in 99.99% of the female population.

Plus

^https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/sms.14581^

The International Olympic Committee framework on fairness, inclusion and nondiscrimination on the basis of gender identity and sex variations does not protect fairness for female athletes

“In adulthood, circulating testosterone concentrations do not come close to overlapping between females (0.1–1.7 nmol/L) and males (7.7–29.4 nmol/L).”

plus with handy charts in the tweet

https://x.com/hoovlet/status/1819017510005407984

“Confirmed. No overlap in T levels between healthy men and women, and rarely in people with atypical levels”.

“Below I'll include some info from my book on T and sex diffs. First is an illustration of the combined data from a meta-analysis of studies on a healthy population (by David Handelsman), and another on T levels in ppl with medical conditions/DSDs (by Richard Clark). I've also included my text description of the data. The original illustration is from Doriane Coleman's excellent Sex in Sport article (link is in the graphic). She let me adapt it for my book but hers is clearer!”

If you are using the term 'woman with high testosterone', plus check your sources and don't spread misinformation. Female people with PCOS, women, DO NOT HAVE male levels of testosterone!

Right, I’m going to spell it out for you supporters of these two blokes.

The people who delivered them thought they were girls because they had very small willies. Their balls were internal, couldn’t be seen. Therefore identified as ‘women’ (nowadays in most of the developed world these children would be identified as having a genital abnormality at birth or shortly afterwards, given a very simple test and identified as their correct sex. They could receive treatment which would help their development).

Although their balls did not descend, their bodies still manufactured the male hormones which result in male puberty, with the strong musculature, physical strength which characterise men as distinct from women. This development is clearly evident visually in both athletes.

Because you have a small Willy, it doesn’t mean you have the right to knock women senseless in public in the guise of sport ( though it may be quite a strong motivation).

There was a press conference this morning which was so contemptuous towards anyone questioning the IOC policy on sex and inclusion and just so insulting to the intelligence that I have flounced. I've decided that the IOC is a corrupt, authoritarian, anti-women body and, until things change dramatically, the Olympics can get fucked.

'The European Vice President of the World Boxing Organization has come forward to confirm that Algerian boxer Imane Khelif is male. István Kovács says he warned the Olympic Committee about several male boxers in the women's category, but nothing was done'

You don't say
As for the UN suggesting sex testing be reintroduced, forget it; the IOC, already widely shown to be utterly corrupt, is now so captured by fashiobable theory that many feel they're no longer fit for purpose - though they're doubtless enjoying the frisson created by the backlash to their ridiculous decisions

Exactly this

This is one of the largest Olympics for Irish athletes, male & female & instead of being able to celebrate our athletes & all their achievements it's just left a bad taste tbh

You might find this interesting as it addresses some of your claims. It's by Reduxx, who originally broke the story.

x.com/slatzism/status/1819427537740558848?s=46

There needs to be a boycott by women in sport.
something has to be done.

They are male with a DSD

He has a penis

However they also said they had been shown to have an advantage, which hints at them also having testosterone readings - as that it what would show a biological advantage.

Great clarification, thank you!

They said it wasn't testosterone that ruled them ineligible, but a "gender test" (aka a Y chromosome in there somewhere)

However they also said they had been shown to have an advantage, which hints at them also having testosterone readings - as that it what would show a biological advantage.

They haven't said what tests they did or the exact results. Regardless, do you believe everything Russian led organizations say?

I don't believe everything most organisations say, largely due to their commitment to this nonsense.

The IBA stated it wasn't a testosterone test so it will have been a chromosome test. These two boxers were disqualified on that basis. If you know of any other tests, let's see the evidence.

Basic coverage of intersex (as was correct then) conditions was part of my GCSEs.

Her case is very clearly NOT a case of 'basic biology' It's at least intermediate biology.

No. The opponent in that tournament was Bulgarian rather than Russian.

Don't be silly arabella, no one knows their own genetics

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The IOC were quite happy taking what the IBA said as factual until last year, despite Russia being suspended from the olympics since 2019

They haven't said what tests they did or the exact results. Regardless, do you believe everything Russian led organizations say?

She was born female, lived the life of a female. Maybe you are a man too by your definition. Have you ever had a genetic test?

No, he’s a man. If you struggle with basic biology, that’s your problem.