To say the Olympics hates women

None of the pictures doing the rounds are relevant. People can present/dress as they like, it's irrelevant to the sex they actually are. Only testing will clarify that.

I’ve posted these images before - in what way do read pictures tell us “they have always been considered female” - it is clear they are presenting as men.

But posting a picture of someone’s supposed genitals is? Gross.

I agree that combing over pictures of people's genitals is not respectful. However until the IOC is sensible about the need for testing, people's suspicions will find an outlet.

This is ALL on the IOC and they could put it to bed very quickly and easily by commissioning tests.

We need to try and get the management of female sports under female control. Males just do not care about it at all.

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Which sex do you think Khelif is?

The World/Society hates women. The Olympics is just a spectacular demonstration of that fact.

Yawn.

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But posting a picture of someone’s supposed genitals is? Gross.

LMFAO. What I think is gross is that you prioritise male hurty feels over female safety.

Here's him rearranging his "vagina" like all women do.

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This is almost the only sensible response on the thread for me.
‘The Olympics’ doesn’t hate anyone as it’s not sentient. It’s made up of all sorts of sports governing bodies and participation is decided in each of the countries involved. Many, many inspirational women are showing how strong and capable women are.
Are there some very, very dodgy discussions here and there? Yes, but you’ve cited 2 sports out of everything involved, and a judgement on part of what was presented in the opening ceremony (what about the women involved in that? Celine? Lady GaGa? The woman riding the horse? The women carrying the torch?)
To say ‘The Olympics’ hates women is just a bit daft and dramatic.

There is at least two on the Zambian football team as well. Both may well be expected to be excluded in the future if FIFA ever change their policy to exclude male athletes who have gone through male
puberty.

There is female Greco Roman wrestling!

For people saying that the boxer’s genetic make up makes the fight unfair, what about Michael Phelps with his webbed toes and joint hyper extension? Did his genetic make up cause his medals to be unfair?

I’m not trying to be a ‘what I reckon-er’, just adding to the debate.

In reality we know nothing about these boxers. It’s all supposition based on dodgy Russian testing.

I think the world has gone bonkers in the last five years

To keep it safer for all involved.....can organisations like IOC, sporting bodies etc make it clear that all athletes need to undergo chromosomal testing ie cheek swab to compete?

If you're XX you go in the the female squad

If you have a Y chromosome then you go on the male /other squad

Takes all the histrionics out of the arena so to speak. The answer would be there in black and white

This would obviously be extremely difficult for those with DSD
.....but I'm not sure what else is a safer solution

EpicGem · Yesterday 11:52

The IBA could easily tell everyone what tests they did that the 2 boxers failed. They have consistently refused stating privacy concerns.

That's correct, it's confidential medical information, which cannot be released, without the consent of the protagonists.

These privacy concerns extend to the 2 boxers who haven't even been informed of the specifics of these "gender tests".

I'm not sure where you go that that from. Of course they know the basis and the results of the tests, which were carried out by a properly verified, independent laboratory. Khelife appealed to the CAS, but dropped it. Lin didn't even bother. Neither man had any hope of winning; the only logical deduction is that they showed up unambiguously and unarguably as male.

But the overall total participation is 50/50 for the first time in history.

But we know that some males are being counted as females and none the other way round so it can't possibly in reality be 50/50 despite their claims. It's a disgrace.

Eh? That's 2 athletes out of 10,000. There aren't exactly the same numbers of men and women in each sport! There are no male rhythmic gymnastics or artistic swimmers and no female greco-roman wrestlers (if that's still a thing). But the overall total participation is 50/50 for the first time in history.

How can it be 50/50 when biological males are boxing in the female category?

I think that YABU

The Dutch rapist - horrifying but that's on the Netherlands selection committee

The Boxing debacle - awful but it's two individuals in one sport (that doesn't really deserve the name sport, it's sanctioned violence) and one the Olympics are trying to get rid of anyway, aren't they?

The caricatures - not sure. Most people, including most women, seem to have no problem with drag and even celebrate it. I don't like it personally but most people, in my experience, would not define it as misogynistic. Though I think probably most of mumsnet would.

On the other side, this is the first year that participation has reached 50/50 male female participation in the games. Women's events are given equal air time, equal reporting and qual hype. BBC has called the 'flagship events' as the Women's All Around Artistic Gymnastics Final and the Women's 100m. Not the men's finals. There are inspirational women all over the TV doing exceptional things and I think that's something to celebrate. I don't see hate.

On reflection you’re right. Shouldn’t have called you a that. Apologies.
It’s very close to home for me and it terrifies me how people who are just following their dreams can be bullied so much that it becomes acceptable to post pictures of them with an edited ‘bulge’ in their shorts. I really worry about the suicide rates for people who don’t fit in a neat male/female gender box.
Genuinely out of interest would you be okay with them calling themselves a woman outside of sport?

But posting a picture of someone’s supposed genitals is? Gross.

So how do you know AK has a vulva then?

I could read about DSD but it wouldn't necessarily tell me everything about AK. We have not been given an official diagnosis or explanation of any test results. It's all just speculation on here.