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To contact this jazz band and tell them to stop using this word?

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FauxWhiteOrchid · 03/08/2024 10:25

There’s a local jazz event taking place soon and the bio describes the band as “Dixieland”. I remember the Dixie Chicks apologising and changing their name.

The word derives from the American South and is also used in a Confederate song. Here’s the full Wikipedia page for “Dixie”. Basically, its usage is racist.

I was surprised to see the word at all but also not surprised as I live in a very white Reform/Tory voting area.

AIBU to contact the band and ask them to change their description? Or leave them alone? I know what the reaction will be if I do contact them: just music blah blah been a traditional word for this style of jazz blah blah world gone mad woke blah joy thief etc. But I see no reason to use this word in this day and age.

WWYD?

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Hateam · 03/08/2024 12:19

A very quick Google reveals the word go be in common usage in America.

KeirSpoutsTwaddle · 03/08/2024 12:18

I think there is danger in a sweeping away of words because they can be used badly.

Years ago the word spastic was used as an insult, so became effectively forbidden. There was a Spastic Society that had to change its name, and it’s a medical term for a specific symptom.
In bread, dough sometimes needs to be retarded. That’s a really hard word to use now- it’s hard to type.

But what matters is the intention of the speaker. It’s not the word. I can make ‘dope’ into an insult or a compliment.

Let words be and tackle attitudes.

Edingril · 03/08/2024 12:15

FauxWhiteOrchid · 03/08/2024 10:32

Interesting that 86% have voted that I am BU.

Why create a poll then be surprised when people vote? Why ask if you think you are right?

Sugarsugarahhoneyhoney · 03/08/2024 12:13

FauxWhiteOrchid · 03/08/2024 10:25

You do know that not everything on Wiki is true don't you?

FauxWhiteOrchid · 03/08/2024 12:13

Absolutely not. I wasn’t on Mumsnet yesterday.

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FairyRings · 03/08/2024 12:12

FauxWhiteOrchid · 03/08/2024 12:10

Well, I admit to my mistake because my user name is what I saw when I chose this name which is my plastic orchid on the windowsill. Wish I’d made my username “DustyCurtains”. But thank you for pointing this out. I’m telling you you’re seeing stuff which isn’t there and you’re telling me that I’m seeing stuff that isn’t there.

Are you the same poster who ‘saw’ her coconut yoghurt yesterday?

LBFseBrom · 03/08/2024 12:11

heldinadream · 03/08/2024 10:30

I think it's positively a good idea for you to do that. They may know already, in which case they are choosing to ignore it at best. They may not know in which case you are giving them information. Language evolves. No-one would call a band n*er band, and this is - if at the moment more obscure - no better.
Good for you OP.

I agree with that.

FauxWhiteOrchid · 03/08/2024 12:10

Well, I admit to my mistake because my user name is what I saw when I chose this name which is my plastic orchid on the windowsill. Wish I’d made my username “DustyCurtains”. But thank you for pointing this out. I’m telling you you’re seeing stuff which isn’t there and you’re telling me that I’m seeing stuff that isn’t there.

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Hakunatomato · 03/08/2024 12:10

There is a chain of chicken shops in London called Dixie Chicken. Perhaps you would like to contact them and TELL them to change their name. You bring a whole new level to recreational indignation. HTH.

TunnocksOrDeath · 03/08/2024 12:08

They know. You don't need to tell them. However as the various sub-genres of Jazz are numerous and distinctive, and there isn't really a widely-recognisable alternative they might think it would be difficult to effectively market themselves if they dropped 'Dixieland'. They could use 'Trad Jazz' but it's not as widely understood by potential clients (weddings, anniversaries, fetes etc).

FairyRings · 03/08/2024 12:07

KreedKafer · 03/08/2024 11:27

Another thread where someone mentions racism with the obvious intent to attract a load of “this is political correctness gone mad” replies from racists. Great, we’ve not had one of those for about five minutes.

Exactly! And yet again the username gives it away. Same as the Coconutti one yesterday. Wind ‘em up and watch ‘em go.

Mumsnet is becoming unusable.

Qanat53 · 03/08/2024 12:06

FauxWhiteOrchid · 03/08/2024 10:25

There’s a local jazz event taking place soon and the bio describes the band as “Dixieland”. I remember the Dixie Chicks apologising and changing their name.

The word derives from the American South and is also used in a Confederate song. Here’s the full Wikipedia page for “Dixie”. Basically, its usage is racist.

I was surprised to see the word at all but also not surprised as I live in a very white Reform/Tory voting area.

AIBU to contact the band and ask them to change their description? Or leave them alone? I know what the reaction will be if I do contact them: just music blah blah been a traditional word for this style of jazz blah blah world gone mad woke blah joy thief etc. But I see no reason to use this word in this day and age.

WWYD?

And all Tories are white …. You are SO racist. You offend … racist “white” orchid.

You are just virtue signally wanting to do good, and looking to MN for virtue support. just go find a black person annd ask them what you should do about Dixieland. Maybe you will find an actual African American expat in your “white Tory” neighborhood and they will find you very racist indeed.

BorsetshireBanality · 03/08/2024 12:06

Let’s hope “Dixieland” jazz (the white old codger Uk version) goes the same way as black-face minstrel shows - consigned to the dustbin of history!

BorsetshireBanality · 03/08/2024 12:00

I used to go to Jazz Festivals in the mid 90s, and any “Dixieland” jazz band would have been a small band of late-middle-aged white old fart types wearing waistcoats and straw boaters, with the obligatory trombonist. The same old shite music watered down and played by old codgers who got together at an adult education class somewhere in suburbia.

I’m mixed race and I used to think that these white men were appropriating what started out as a black/mixed race art form that originated in the American deep South, and watering it down for English suburbia, and found it mildly annoying/offensive. My white friends couldn’t get why I felt this way when I expressed this opinion!

It’s now 30 years later, and any audience for this music is dying out. At the same time “Dixie” is associated with brainless Donald Trump reporters and red-neck white supremacists.

Nowadays, I would rather be in the audience for young musicians being, playing something with more creativity and genuine improvisation. I wouldn’t waste my time telling a bunch of old farts they were a bunch of old farts! I’m saving my anger for the new breed of white supremacists who feel emboldened by the likes of Trump, Farage et al.

However OP, if you want to tell them why you find the term offensive, do it.

Dontbeme · 03/08/2024 11:59

NewGreenDuck · 03/08/2024 11:58

Mea culpa. Mea maxima culpa. I should have said ' they', shouldn't I? 😁

Well I used "he" as well, so I will save you a seat on the bigot bus to hell.

OpizpuHeuvHiyo · 03/08/2024 11:59

Yabu to ask them to change it. You are not in control of them.

You would be reasonable to ask questions.

I would be asking them to please explain whether their use of the word Dixie in their band title is because they directly embrace and approve of the philosophy behind that word (provide a link) or is it more that they don't really think about the experiences of marginalised people as being relevant to them?

Mainoo72 · 03/08/2024 11:58

Astonmaid · 03/08/2024 11:06

Dixieland (not Dixie) is the well-known name for a style of jazz music. You're being daft.

This. They will just laugh if you message them about this.

NewGreenDuck · 03/08/2024 11:58

Dontbeme · 03/08/2024 11:56

How do you know he identifies as "he"?

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Mea culpa. Mea maxima culpa. I should have said ' they', shouldn't I? 😁

Dontbeme · 03/08/2024 11:56

NewGreenDuck · 03/08/2024 11:45

Am I allowed to say ' well he can whistle Dixie', a common expression in some parts of the country?

How do you know he identifies as "he"?

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Lorrymum · 03/08/2024 11:54

Dixie is quite often used as a Christian name. Also Dixie Grammar School exists in Wellsborough.

Phoebefail · 03/08/2024 11:51

The fuss over the use of the word was at the time of the BLM campaigns.
That fervour is now reduced.
As we are a long way from Dixie, it rather looks as if you are looking for something to be offended by.
Live and let live Hun, They probably rely on electric guitar too much anyway.

Icepearl · 03/08/2024 11:50

Dixie is also a nick name for dyslexic. Could be a reference to that

VisitationRights · 03/08/2024 11:49

Massive overreach on your part. Dixieland jazz is a style of jazz and you are not going to get the name changed.

CleftChin · 03/08/2024 11:48

Do you live in an area with a lot of black Americans?

Or are you going 'these are black people, all black people must find this offensive because those black Americans do'?

Zebedee999 · 03/08/2024 11:47

Classic case of the world (woke?) gradually distorting the meaning of a word to give it a meaning it never had, so that we can all be offended.
Dixieland Jazz is a type of music many enjoy, leave the band alone, go and find someone else to annoy.
(PS - A much more worthy cause would be you contacting all the drill/rap groups etc that use "n133er" in every other sentence... now that is offensive to most people. My guess if you only got offended at Dixieland because they are white!)

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