Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To contact this jazz band and tell them to stop using this word?

285 replies

FauxWhiteOrchid · 03/08/2024 10:25

There’s a local jazz event taking place soon and the bio describes the band as “Dixieland”. I remember the Dixie Chicks apologising and changing their name.

The word derives from the American South and is also used in a Confederate song. Here’s the full Wikipedia page for “Dixie”. Basically, its usage is racist.

I was surprised to see the word at all but also not surprised as I live in a very white Reform/Tory voting area.

AIBU to contact the band and ask them to change their description? Or leave them alone? I know what the reaction will be if I do contact them: just music blah blah been a traditional word for this style of jazz blah blah world gone mad woke blah joy thief etc. But I see no reason to use this word in this day and age.

WWYD?

OP posts:
Thread gallery
5
Somepeoplearesnippy · 03/08/2024 12:52

I'm sure if we tracked the derivation of many words they would refer to things that would now be considered unacceptable but languages, like attitudes, are constantly evolving. Just because a word meant one thing 20 or 100 or 500 years ago doesn't mean it means the same thing now. It won't even mean the same thing in two different countries or even two different areas of the same country.

You can't erase history from language.

Miffylou · 03/08/2024 12:52

It’s a style of jazz, based on the name of a geographical area. You’re being over-sensitive.

If you think the band might be unaware of the derivation of the name or the fact that it might upset some people you could write to inform them of the facts, but asking them to change their name is just being a busybody and would put their backs up.

PinkyPonkyLittleDonkey · 03/08/2024 12:51

Zebedee999 · 03/08/2024 11:47

Classic case of the world (woke?) gradually distorting the meaning of a word to give it a meaning it never had, so that we can all be offended.
Dixieland Jazz is a type of music many enjoy, leave the band alone, go and find someone else to annoy.
(PS - A much more worthy cause would be you contacting all the drill/rap groups etc that use "n133er" in every other sentence... now that is offensive to most people. My guess if you only got offended at Dixieland because they are white!)

Guarantee the op is white and is pretty clueless.

ThatOneUncomfortableEyelash · 03/08/2024 12:49

FauxWhiteOrchid · 03/08/2024 10:32

Interesting that 86% have voted that I am BU.

Unfortunately there's nothing much you can infer from that number, because the YABU votes aren't going to mean just one thing. Maybe some are about the acceptability of the word Dixieland, or about when it's okay or not okay to challenge language use. Personally, I voted YABU purely because you asked if YWBU to tell someone not to use a particular word.

If you'd asked if YWBU to "let them know I found it upsetting" or "contact them about the history and connotations of the word" or even "ask them to consider changing it", I'd have maybe not bothered reading the thread, or read and not voted, or voted YANBU. And of course you can always make your own judgements on people based on the language they use, and make choices based on those judgements, so if you'd said "AIBU not to go to a concert that's advertised like this", that's your prerogative.

I'd generally be okay with "telling" if it were something more personal to you, like a psychologist describing you in a letter as "queer" when you dislike that term, or an acquaintance repeatedly referring to you as black when they know you refer to yourself as mixed-race. Or, if you control a particular platform, you can tell people what language they can use on that platform, obviously.

But generally, acting like you have the right to tell random people or groups what words you'll permit them to use would BU, IMO. I voted based on that, so, yeah, maybe not so "interesting" Hmm

FrogNToad · 03/08/2024 12:48

I've read the wiki article, and I'm trying my best to be offended, but actually I've no idea what this is about or why OP is in a flap about it.

Lilysgoneshopping · 03/08/2024 12:47

Are you actually offended OP, or are you taking offence on behalf of others, you know, people who are perfectly capable of deciding for themselves what they find offensive or not, without some bloody virtue signaller telling them?

ScribblingPixie · 03/08/2024 12:46

FauxWhiteOrchid · 03/08/2024 10:50

It would help if there was an alternative name. But Dixie is ingrained in many people’s minds as a style of jazz but the meaning of the word isn’t.

So you're asking them to stop describing their music?

CrocodileSpikes · 03/08/2024 12:44

YABVU and I hope they tell you to get fucked. Stop tying to police other people’s language.

BiscuityBoyle · 03/08/2024 12:44

Who is this band to you? If it’s a friend asking advice then mention it. If this is just some band appearing at the local pub next week, then it’s nothing to do with you.

ComedicPivot · 03/08/2024 12:43

mrsdineen2 · 03/08/2024 12:33

I envy your life OP.

I don’t. It must be seriously dull to perpetually be in faux outrage at every thing in the world.

The OP seriously needs to get a life; get hobbies, read more, get some exercise and not pickle in their own bile.

Genevieva · 03/08/2024 12:40

FauxWhiteOrchid · 03/08/2024 11:19

It’s the association with the Confederate song Dixie’s Land that has made the word contentious.

Edited

I don’t know the song, but it would have been using a pre-existing word with wider application. It’s also two words with an apostrophe S in the middle, so not even the same word the band is using. I think it’s ever so important to guard against manufacturing over-sensitivity and reserve the banning of words for genuinely offensive terms that are used to denigrate others.

Purplebunnie · 03/08/2024 12:39

Iwasafool · 03/08/2024 11:30

I say ban oranges (they give me migraines so I might be biased.)

I agree, ban oranges, the give me migraines as well

pillofy · 03/08/2024 12:39

Hakunatomato · 03/08/2024 12:10

There is a chain of chicken shops in London called Dixie Chicken. Perhaps you would like to contact them and TELL them to change their name. You bring a whole new level to recreational indignation. HTH.

Just want to show my appreciation for the term 'recreational indignation'!

PashaMinaMio · 03/08/2024 12:37

Zusammen · 03/08/2024 10:49

There’s some debate about whether the word Dixie is offensive. It’s still widely used in the USA. Just because one band decided not to use the word any more, doesn’t mean everyone has agreed it’s offensive. Honestly I think you should mind your own business, preaching is never welcomed.

I’m sitting on the fence a bit but I think this PP has a point.

Meadowfinch · 03/08/2024 12:36

I voted yabu because you don't have the right to 'tell' anyone to do anything.

You can ask them, you can explain why. But if you 'tell' them what to do, you deserve to be ignored. Your arrogance is on show.

And for the record, Dixieland to me is a style of jazz and I think you're being absurd.

mrsdineen2 · 03/08/2024 12:33

I envy your life OP.

user1492757084 · 03/08/2024 12:29

I had a pony called Dixie.
My friend who loves jazz has a Jack Russell called Dixie.
Dixieland is positive to me.

Just because many people with darker skin were immensely skilled at Dixieland Jazz doesn't make the term racist.
People of all skin colours played it.
Dixie originated when dollar notes in Southern states under French influence had dix written on them.
I would be proud to have forebears who made history playing Dixieland Jazz. It is known all over the World.

I can't find anything negative written about it.

NewGreenDuck · 03/08/2024 12:29

Do you object to gypsy jazz? If not, why not? If you do please explain.

diddl · 03/08/2024 12:28

InsensibleMe · 03/08/2024 11:12

‘The Night They Drove old Dixie Down’. (Bob Dylan &) The Band. One of my favourite songs. I understand the context, it’s a song from the Confederate perspective about losing the Civil War. I wouldn’t call it racist.

Levon Helm's vocals-outstanding!

crockofshite · 03/08/2024 12:27

What's an alternative way to describe that style of plinky plonk annoying noise?

bergamotorange · 03/08/2024 12:27

Flumpie59 · 03/08/2024 10:55

Leave the band alone, I'm sure they don't mean any harm. Sadly we're now in a world full of haters, snowflakes and wokes and we're all too scared to use ANY words incase we ''offend'' someone.

This is hilarious Grin

Try not to panic @Flumpie59

BIossomtoes · 03/08/2024 12:26

FauxWhiteOrchid · 03/08/2024 10:50

It would help if there was an alternative name. But Dixie is ingrained in many people’s minds as a style of jazz but the meaning of the word isn’t.

In which case it’s not offensive. Virtue signalling at its finest.

Felaku · 03/08/2024 12:24

Do what you want, love, but if you're going to campaign that the show that contains the greatest hunk of 'em all-namely The Walking Dead and Daryl Dixon - be taken off the air because of your daft ideas I won't be happy.

Oh yeah, you are being very, very, very, unreasonable.

Why stop there, though? Isn't there are shop called Dixons? Perhaps you can protest outside it?

sunsetsandboardwalks · 03/08/2024 12:24

OpizpuHeuvHiyo · 03/08/2024 11:59

Yabu to ask them to change it. You are not in control of them.

You would be reasonable to ask questions.

I would be asking them to please explain whether their use of the word Dixie in their band title is because they directly embrace and approve of the philosophy behind that word (provide a link) or is it more that they don't really think about the experiences of marginalised people as being relevant to them?

But it's not their band name - it's a word used to describe a sub-type of jazz music Confused

MagneticSquirrel · 03/08/2024 12:23

YABU words can have more than one meaning. Mind your own business.

Swipe left for the next trending thread