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To contact this jazz band and tell them to stop using this word?

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FauxWhiteOrchid · 03/08/2024 10:25

There’s a local jazz event taking place soon and the bio describes the band as “Dixieland”. I remember the Dixie Chicks apologising and changing their name.

The word derives from the American South and is also used in a Confederate song. Here’s the full Wikipedia page for “Dixie”. Basically, its usage is racist.

I was surprised to see the word at all but also not surprised as I live in a very white Reform/Tory voting area.

AIBU to contact the band and ask them to change their description? Or leave them alone? I know what the reaction will be if I do contact them: just music blah blah been a traditional word for this style of jazz blah blah world gone mad woke blah joy thief etc. But I see no reason to use this word in this day and age.

WWYD?

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Rosscameasdoody · 03/08/2024 20:19

StellaLaBella · 03/08/2024 18:40

I've lived in New Orleans for a long time, you would be laughed out of town if you launched a campaign to rename Dixieland Jazz OP. If you are interested in the history of Dixie and Dixieland, I will tell you the consensus of local historians is the term is more likely to have evolved from the usage of "dix" for $10 notes by French speaking traders prior to the Civil War. NO had a sound, well respected banking system/currency, thanks to a booming commerce. In the 1800s it was one of the busiest ports in the US due to many factors such being one of the cheapest ports for ships to enter, proximity to South America and the Caribbean, and of course being the mouth of the Mississippi. The song Dixie then became one of the popular Confederate marching songs, so it became associated with all of the states in the confederacy and therefore associated with pro-slavery and the Mason-Dixon line, which was the demarcation of the slave owing states and the free soil states. Dixieland jazz really didn't emerge until the beginning of the 20th century and it was born in New Orleans, Louis Armstrong being one of the most famous Dixieland artists and of course, he was born and bred here.

So yeah, this is not the hill

Thank you.

Rosscameasdoody · 03/08/2024 20:18

FinalInstructionstotheAudience · 03/08/2024 17:37

As a child in hospital, when Florence was a lass, we were given some orange concoction, almost a concentrated version of squash. It had a uniquely weird taste.
In other news, toothpaste also came in a tin - less of a paste, more a compacted powder that you had to moisten!

I spent a lot of time in hospital as a child. That was something euphemistically named ‘baby orange’ and as I remember served up in white ceramic jugs !! I also remember blue plastic bed covers spread out at mealtimes for those who were bedbound, massive ‘meatballs’ and baked beans served on Wednesdays and fish, chips and peas served every Friday !!. Saturday was Scouse - it was Alder Hey in Liverpool !! The toothpaste I remember as being pink powder - you had to wet your toothbrush and scrub it around the surface of the tin - was called ‘Euthymol’. Shuddering at the memory of both.

NewGreenDuck · 03/08/2024 20:09

I agree that it is very unlike New Orleans!

PointsSouth · 03/08/2024 20:07

NewGreenDuck · 03/08/2024 20:05

@PointsSouth what do you have against Bridlington?

I was trying to think of somewhere that was very unlike New Orleans.

Though I hear the Bridlington Mardi Gras is getting wilder and wilder. The things people will do for Smarties.

NewGreenDuck · 03/08/2024 20:05

@PointsSouth what do you have against Bridlington?

PointsSouth · 03/08/2024 20:01

Dixieland - one word - just refers to music that originated in the southern states. It's not intrinsically racist.

The Dixie Chicks didn't drop the word because it's racist. They dropped it because White Southerners (who probably are racist) were co-opting them an example of white southern culture. And they didn't want to be identified with that because they don't feel they are, specifically.

I don't think this is really a problem for a band playing at a fete in Bridlington.

While we're at it though "rock'n'roll" started as slang for fucking. So that's gotta go.

FinalInstructionstotheAudience · 03/08/2024 19:28

ThatOneUncomfortableEyelash · 03/08/2024 17:59

I'm willing to bet the sneaky buggers were giving you cod liver oil mixed with concentrated orange juice. I've heard tell of such a monstrosity, at least.

🤮🤢
I hate fish!!

FinalInstructionstotheAudience · 03/08/2024 19:25

godmum56 · 03/08/2024 17:50

eucryl tooth powder, mint flavoured Ajax.

That was marketed forc mokers! The stuff I vaguely remember was Gibbs Dentitice:

From www.madsensmemories.com/memories/2018/10/16/foaming-gibbs-dentifrice
It came in a round tin with a dome-like tin cover, and looked like a cylindrical cake of pink soap sitting on the base. You had to brush a wet toothbrush across it a few times to whip up a foam, rather as men did with shaving cream. With this somewhat gritty pink foam you cleaned your teeth.
I must have used it thousands of times as a child. It cost about 7.5d in the old money, or about 3p for a tin. It had flavour added, a sweet, slightly soapy, slightly sickly taste to it, and it was pink.

petermaddog · 03/08/2024 19:18

Dixie may be derived from Jeremiah Dixon, one of the surveyors of the Mason–Dixon line,

Mason–Dixon line - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mason%E2%80%93Dixon_line

Pussycat22 · 03/08/2024 19:07

Oh God .

Blackcats7 · 03/08/2024 19:02

@FauxWhiteOrchid I just joined the thread very late to say I am sorry you have been the centre of a pile on. The nastiness of the replies are a horrible window into the minds of many here.
It is perfectly possible to disagree without mocking the OP but that is not what has happened on this thread.
FWIW I don’t think the band using the word dixie is that bad but I would support any black people who did. As a disabled person I frequently find non disabled people feel they can decide what is and is not acceptable for me to have a right to be upset about which really rankles so I am not going to do it to others.

Qanat53 · 03/08/2024 18:45

FauxWhiteOrchid · 03/08/2024 12:10

Well, I admit to my mistake because my user name is what I saw when I chose this name which is my plastic orchid on the windowsill. Wish I’d made my username “DustyCurtains”. But thank you for pointing this out. I’m telling you you’re seeing stuff which isn’t there and you’re telling me that I’m seeing stuff that isn’t there.

Fake plastic orchid …. Just not done in a Tory neighborhood.

Missmarplesknittingbuddy · 03/08/2024 18:45

Currently sitting having a BBQ with some ( black) friends . They are laughing their heads off as their cockapoo is named Dixie .

StellaLaBella · 03/08/2024 18:40

I've lived in New Orleans for a long time, you would be laughed out of town if you launched a campaign to rename Dixieland Jazz OP. If you are interested in the history of Dixie and Dixieland, I will tell you the consensus of local historians is the term is more likely to have evolved from the usage of "dix" for $10 notes by French speaking traders prior to the Civil War. NO had a sound, well respected banking system/currency, thanks to a booming commerce. In the 1800s it was one of the busiest ports in the US due to many factors such being one of the cheapest ports for ships to enter, proximity to South America and the Caribbean, and of course being the mouth of the Mississippi. The song Dixie then became one of the popular Confederate marching songs, so it became associated with all of the states in the confederacy and therefore associated with pro-slavery and the Mason-Dixon line, which was the demarcation of the slave owing states and the free soil states. Dixieland jazz really didn't emerge until the beginning of the 20th century and it was born in New Orleans, Louis Armstrong being one of the most famous Dixieland artists and of course, he was born and bred here.

So yeah, this is not the hill

BigAnne · 03/08/2024 18:35

@FauxWhiteOrchid You should only use et al in academic writing.

WaverOfSticks · 03/08/2024 18:29

OP: Am I right?

MN: No, you're wrong!

OP: I hate you all flounce...

Lilysgoneshopping · 03/08/2024 18:26

Tell the band by all means but be prepared to make yourself look an utter dick

Saltedbutter · 03/08/2024 18:25

FauxWhiteOrchid · 03/08/2024 18:16

I think you are all my neighbours. Thank you and good bye.

Oh, you’ve given it away now. I thought this was half serious!

FauxWhiteOrchid · 03/08/2024 18:16

I think you are all my neighbours. Thank you and good bye.

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godmum56 · 03/08/2024 18:03

ThatOneUncomfortableEyelash · 03/08/2024 17:55

I don't know about you, since you were actually there, while my mental images of the time are all from films and archive footage/photos and Matchbox models Grin — but I think for me the Sunkist brand has somehow got muddled up with Sunblest, which definitely was a fifties brand.

suuuun blest the sign of good bread

ThatOneUncomfortableEyelash · 03/08/2024 17:59

FinalInstructionstotheAudience · 03/08/2024 17:37

As a child in hospital, when Florence was a lass, we were given some orange concoction, almost a concentrated version of squash. It had a uniquely weird taste.
In other news, toothpaste also came in a tin - less of a paste, more a compacted powder that you had to moisten!

I'm willing to bet the sneaky buggers were giving you cod liver oil mixed with concentrated orange juice. I've heard tell of such a monstrosity, at least.

ThatOneUncomfortableEyelash · 03/08/2024 17:55

Iwasafool · 03/08/2024 17:14

I honestly feel like we had Sunkist as kids in the 50s. Don't know how I've got that one so wrong.

I don't know about you, since you were actually there, while my mental images of the time are all from films and archive footage/photos and Matchbox models Grin — but I think for me the Sunkist brand has somehow got muddled up with Sunblest, which definitely was a fifties brand.

godmum56 · 03/08/2024 17:50

FinalInstructionstotheAudience · 03/08/2024 17:37

As a child in hospital, when Florence was a lass, we were given some orange concoction, almost a concentrated version of squash. It had a uniquely weird taste.
In other news, toothpaste also came in a tin - less of a paste, more a compacted powder that you had to moisten!

eucryl tooth powder, mint flavoured Ajax.

Gallowayan · 03/08/2024 17:47

Obviously hard for you to accept that 86% think you are wrong? Maybe you are wrong? The word does not have a precise meaning, so I don't see a case for censoring it.

To my knowledge it means the area south of the Mason Dixon line, and can mean someone from that area, and and can also refer to a style of music.

Its a bit of a streach to suggest that the word celebrates slavery and inequality?

(Not a Tory or Reform supporter, but I support freedom if speech)

FinalInstructionstotheAudience · 03/08/2024 17:37

ThatOneUncomfortableEyelash · 03/08/2024 17:02

Did they have Tango in the sixties?!

Always felt like more of an 80s/90s thing to me — somehow more modern than Sunkist, or Nazi Coke substitute Fanta, or orangeade made by companies like Barr.

So I looked it up and — Tango's a fifties brand?? And only just — 1950! Their marketing department did a bloody good job on me, didn't they?

Sunkist though? Not until 1979! But it feels so much older to me… I can so easily picture a fifties-style bottle of Sunkist. And while Fanta is technically older than Tango see previous strikeout apparently the orange flavour of Fanta didn't come out until 1966. But Orangina is apparently way earlier, going back to the 1930s (but as a kid in the 90s, I only ever saw it in France). Generic orangeade presumably older, with the 19th century fashion for flavoured fizzy waters.

Thank you for provoking a rabbit-hole dive; I enjoyed that Grin

As a child in hospital, when Florence was a lass, we were given some orange concoction, almost a concentrated version of squash. It had a uniquely weird taste.
In other news, toothpaste also came in a tin - less of a paste, more a compacted powder that you had to moisten!

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