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To contact this jazz band and tell them to stop using this word?

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FauxWhiteOrchid · 03/08/2024 10:25

There’s a local jazz event taking place soon and the bio describes the band as “Dixieland”. I remember the Dixie Chicks apologising and changing their name.

The word derives from the American South and is also used in a Confederate song. Here’s the full Wikipedia page for “Dixie”. Basically, its usage is racist.

I was surprised to see the word at all but also not surprised as I live in a very white Reform/Tory voting area.

AIBU to contact the band and ask them to change their description? Or leave them alone? I know what the reaction will be if I do contact them: just music blah blah been a traditional word for this style of jazz blah blah world gone mad woke blah joy thief etc. But I see no reason to use this word in this day and age.

WWYD?

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Serrina · 04/08/2024 20:42

YANBU. I read through the replies fully expecting the usual buzz words like "woke" "snowflakes" etc and I wasn't wrong.

TempestTost · 04/08/2024 20:18

ginasevern · 03/08/2024 15:00

@Genevieva

I agree with you. The term "Dixie" either relates to the Mason Dixon Line or possibly the French for ten, which is "dix". Dix was used on ten dollar bank notes in Louisiana and they became known as "dixies". The term soon came to mean the South in general. People are divided over which theory is right, but it is almost certain that one of them is.

I as much as there is a controversy around the word, it's because people associate the South, and particularly that era, with slavery and all the negative attitudes to blacks that were common at that time.

It's still fairly reductive though, those things to not sum up a whole culture, any more than slavery summed up the ancient Romans or the Ottomans, or raping and pillaging summed up the Vikings. Those were all rich cultures in many ways, some were harsh, some elements we have a hard time relating to, but I have never heard of anyone unwilling to use artistic or cultural elements of those because it might be offensive.

schtompy · 04/08/2024 19:23

People need to stop being so sensitive, i’ll have to start moaning I’m offended to be called white..heterosexual…

OhcantthInkofaname · 04/08/2024 19:18

FauxWhiteOrchid · 03/08/2024 10:32

Interesting that 86% have voted that I am BU.

That's all 86%? Dixieland Jazz was originally developed by African Americans.

NorthSouthLondon · 04/08/2024 18:17

Dixieland is a well recognized jazz genre since forever and then some.
The former Dixie chicks are a country band whose members are unusually liberal leaning in a genre which is by and large not liberal leaning at all.
I think it is a very different context which people will interpret very differently.

Mumoftwochildrenand6furkids · 04/08/2024 18:15

I dont think Id contact them because to be fair Im mixed race/ half cuban but was born and lived all my life in England and I have never heard of that been an racist word and have no idea of its meaning, Also had an mixed raced friend at school whos actual name was Dixie.

StellaLaBella · 04/08/2024 16:54

ThatOneUncomfortableEyelash · 04/08/2024 04:11

Oh thank God, you meant proper Smarties Grin (Not Cadbury's, tho, but it's an understandable mistake.) Otherwise I might be mildly concerned for the well-being of your taste buds Wink

Incidentally, when I gave Smarties to my pet rats, they carefully removed the (obviously inedible) outer shell of the nut/bean/whatever they thought it was, before eating just the chocolate insides. Fuckin adorable imo Grin

As a PP said, mea maxima culpa! Smarties are of course made by Rowntree. And your rats sounds very smart indeed 🕵

FinalInstructionstotheAudience · 04/08/2024 15:55

Iwasafool · 04/08/2024 14:39

Oh yes blackberry jam is fine, all fruits are with the exception of oranges. I can eat satsumas so that is some consolation and I've just eaten the sweetest juiciest peach you can possibly imagine.

I'm sorry you are sad about our mortal enemy status but in the words of my GC, "they started it."

🤣🤣

Iwasafool · 04/08/2024 14:42

WaverOfSticks · 04/08/2024 12:19

Ah, but can some of you people eat orange Smarties?

I haven't tried them, maybe I should.

Iwasafool · 04/08/2024 14:39

FinalInstructionstotheAudience · 03/08/2024 17:32

I'm making some blabkberry jam tomorrow (hand picked at great cost to my hand's skin integrity, I might add!!). Could you manage a jar of that?
I have a bowl of oranges on the table in front of me and am sad that you and their kin are mortal enemies!

Oh yes blackberry jam is fine, all fruits are with the exception of oranges. I can eat satsumas so that is some consolation and I've just eaten the sweetest juiciest peach you can possibly imagine.

I'm sorry you are sad about our mortal enemy status but in the words of my GC, "they started it."

WaverOfSticks · 04/08/2024 12:19

Ah, but can some of you people eat orange Smarties?

Wideskye · 04/08/2024 09:30

Dixieland jazz is a genre of music

Should I be worried my neighbours Mr and Mrs Dixie are racist?

Piglet89 · 04/08/2024 08:48

@FinalInstructionstotheAudience as a NI Catholic: I mean, yeah, I would ban Orange marches if I could, with numbers like “Kick the Pope” and disruption of half the province during marching season, plus the inherent Catholic-hating in the Orange Order.

Longdueachange · 04/08/2024 08:36

I think its odd to be offended on behalf of Americans and I think its ott to ask them to change. The region has connections with racism, but there is a lot of history there also that isnt connected with racism and in its about the music for them. If you don't like their name then don't go to their shows.

ll09sm · 04/08/2024 08:32

StellaLaBella · 03/08/2024 18:40

I've lived in New Orleans for a long time, you would be laughed out of town if you launched a campaign to rename Dixieland Jazz OP. If you are interested in the history of Dixie and Dixieland, I will tell you the consensus of local historians is the term is more likely to have evolved from the usage of "dix" for $10 notes by French speaking traders prior to the Civil War. NO had a sound, well respected banking system/currency, thanks to a booming commerce. In the 1800s it was one of the busiest ports in the US due to many factors such being one of the cheapest ports for ships to enter, proximity to South America and the Caribbean, and of course being the mouth of the Mississippi. The song Dixie then became one of the popular Confederate marching songs, so it became associated with all of the states in the confederacy and therefore associated with pro-slavery and the Mason-Dixon line, which was the demarcation of the slave owing states and the free soil states. Dixieland jazz really didn't emerge until the beginning of the 20th century and it was born in New Orleans, Louis Armstrong being one of the most famous Dixieland artists and of course, he was born and bred here.

So yeah, this is not the hill

Oh dear. Let that be a lesson folks that trying to find offence everywhere to show how progressive you are makes you look like an uninformed idiot.

ll09sm · 04/08/2024 08:29

Is this an act for your good deed calculator OP?

Is it so that you can feel all virtuous and superior for being such a great person?

Virtue signalling knows no bounds.

BrigadierEtienneGerard · 04/08/2024 08:21

@FinalInstructionstotheAudience You can still get tooth powder in a tin. I use it. My DCs say it tastes revolting.

BrigadierEtienneGerard · 04/08/2024 08:18

Who are you to say what they can call themselves?

BTW "Dixie" was Abraham Lincoln's favourite tune. He asked the band to play it when he visited the Union Army in Richmond.

FinalInstructionstotheAudience · 04/08/2024 07:38

InWalksBarberalla · 04/08/2024 07:06

I'm mainly here for the fellow orange triggered migraine sufferers.
But I would like to know how the OP went if she did ring the band to tell them not to describe their music style using the commonly used term for describing said music style.

How do you know your fellow sufferers are orange??!! 😁
And yes, @FauxWhiteOrchid , have you 'phoned them yet? There is a trench of people waiting with bated breath...

InWalksBarberalla · 04/08/2024 07:06

I'm mainly here for the fellow orange triggered migraine sufferers.
But I would like to know how the OP went if she did ring the band to tell them not to describe their music style using the commonly used term for describing said music style.

ThatOneUncomfortableEyelash · 04/08/2024 04:11

StellaLaBella · 04/08/2024 03:51

By over here I mean New Orleans (I made an earlier post about the history of Dixie and Dixieland) and by Smarties, I mean the Cadbury's ones and not the crappy sugar US Smarties 😁

Oh thank God, you meant proper Smarties Grin (Not Cadbury's, tho, but it's an understandable mistake.) Otherwise I might be mildly concerned for the well-being of your taste buds Wink

Incidentally, when I gave Smarties to my pet rats, they carefully removed the (obviously inedible) outer shell of the nut/bean/whatever they thought it was, before eating just the chocolate insides. Fuckin adorable imo Grin

StellaLaBella · 04/08/2024 03:51

ThatOneUncomfortableEyelash · 03/08/2024 21:39

When you say "over here", that makes me wonder — what's coming to mind for you when you hear "Smarties"?

By over here I mean New Orleans (I made an earlier post about the history of Dixie and Dixieland) and by Smarties, I mean the Cadbury's ones and not the crappy sugar US Smarties 😁

PinkyPonkyLittleDonkey · 04/08/2024 01:48

Oh bless you op. You thought you’d be getting brownie points for being our WHITE knight in shining armour 😆

ThatOneUncomfortableEyelash · 03/08/2024 21:39

StellaLaBella · 03/08/2024 20:46

HA! I applaud the Bridlingtonians' standards, Smarties are infinitely better than the cheap plastic tat we lose our minds for over here 😉

When you say "over here", that makes me wonder — what's coming to mind for you when you hear "Smarties"?

StellaLaBella · 03/08/2024 20:46

PointsSouth · 03/08/2024 20:07

I was trying to think of somewhere that was very unlike New Orleans.

Though I hear the Bridlington Mardi Gras is getting wilder and wilder. The things people will do for Smarties.

HA! I applaud the Bridlingtonians' standards, Smarties are infinitely better than the cheap plastic tat we lose our minds for over here 😉

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